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Published: August 11, 2009
Adoptive Dads Sought on S/M Webpage
SF City-Funded Adoption Agency Advertises with “Mister Marcus”
AdoptionSF.org, a joint project of the City of San Francisco’s Human Services Agency and Family Builders by Adoption is advertising for adoptive parents on the “Mister Marcus” page of San Francisco’s Bay Area Reporter website. The Reporter’s front page motto is “Serving the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender community since 1971.”
 “Mister Marcus” publishes a weekly column in the Reporter which covers and publicizes upcoming “leather” events. Examples include: “A weekend of bdsm activity and featuring NW Master and slave contest on Sat. night” (July 2, 2009) and “Hell Hole Fisting Party tonight upstairs at Mister S playroom from 2000 to 0200 next morning” (April 16, 2009),
The rotating ad, which features two men and a little boy, includes the text “We never knew how PROUD we could be until we adopted Ben.” As the ads rotate, the AdoptionSF ad is juxtaposed with ads for the “Healthy Penis Campaign,” also a city of San Francisco-funded effort, which is captioned “I get checked for syphilis every 3-6 months”; an ad for Erossf.com, “San Francisco‘s acclaimed 18+ sex club for gay and bisexual men“, captioned “Bedroom Eyes” and which features a graphic of two men in towels embracing; an ad for the Reporter’s online classifieds page (on which the Adoption.sf ad also appears), which features a photo of a nearly naked man, and is captioned “Check out models and escorts in our new and improved classifieds! More photos and videos! Click here.”
A publicly-funded online ad campaign for adoptive parents targeted at men who frequent s/m events seems irresponsible. Recent news suggests rather more care should be taken when seeking adoptive “fathers.” On June 29, WRAL TV of Raleigh-Durham, NC, reported on the case of Frank Lombard. Lombard, the associate director of the Center for Health Policy at Duke University, is an openly homosexual “partnered” man, who had adopted two African-American children. He was arrested on June 24 for sexually abusing one of the adopted children, a five-year-old boy, and for offering the child online to be abused by other men. WRAL published part of the transcript of the online chat sting operation that netted Lombard: ”In the chat transcript ‘F.L.’ is asked how he got access to a child so young. ‘Adopted,’ he replied, and said that the process was ‘not so hard ... esp (sic) for a black boy.’”
The AdoptionSF website describes the organization as “a collaboration between San Francisco Human Services Agency and Family Builders.” The contract between the city and Family Builders specifies the use of state and local taxpayer dollars for the purpose of "Increasing the number of children adopted by Lesbian, Gay Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) adults." But the only apparent “collaboration” is that the city and state of California fund Family Builders. The telephone numbers and addresses for AdoptionSF and Family Builders are identical.
Until June 2009, Catholic Charities of San Francisco had been part of that collaboration. According to the Catholic San Francisco newspaper, from 2006-2009 Family Builders received $110,000 annually from Catholic Charities. When the partnership was announced, it set off a firestorm of protest among Catholics, although Catholic Charities’ then-executive director Brian Cahill referred to it as a “great opportunity.” On October 17, 2008, Catholic San Francisco announced that the partnership was being dissolved. At that time Cahill said “We regret that a small group of activists, in order to further their own agenda, continue to distort and discredit our efforts on behalf of these neglected children. The welfare of children has been a paramount concern of Catholic Charities… for the past 100 years.”
Although Catholic’s funding of Family Builders was scheduled to end in June 2009, as of August 10, 2009, the “Catholic Charities San Francisco Adoption” webpage continues to direct those “seeking to pursue foster care adoption” to Family Builders.
Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:36 AM By Charles O'Connell
RPV Network (Grassroots Network of the Republican Party of Virginia), 6/28/09: "Associate director of Duke University's Center for Health Policy, Frank Lombard, was recently arrested by the FBI and charged with offering up his adopted 5-year-old African American son for sex to an undercover cop. Lombard admitted to molesting his own adopted son to the undercover officer in an online chat room under the user name 'Perv Dad for Fun'. He invited the under cover officer to travel to North Carolina to rape his already-molested adopted son. Lombard faces 20 years in prison if convicted but is not eligible for the death penalty. Lombard bragged to the detective that 'the abuse of the child was easier when the child was too young to talk or know what was happening, but that he had drugged the child with Benedryl during the molestation,' according to the detective’s affidavit. Lombard is gay and adopted the two children together with his partner. He lists himself as a fan of controversial gay Bishop Gene Robinson on his facebook page."
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:59 AM By ted
They're seeking prey, not parenthood.
The sickness of it all defies description.
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:05 AM By bud
“Given the current body of research, the American College of Pediatricians believes it is inappropriate, potentially hazardous to children, and dangerously irresponsible to change the age-old prohibition on homosexual parenting, whether by adoption, foster care, or by reproductive manipulation,” it says. “This position is rooted in the best available science.” Of course, what else can one expect from San Francisco?
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:28 AM By Kathy
I don't think I've ever noticed repeat advertising for adoption in Catholic SF, the Marin Independant Journal, or even the SF Chronicle. These papers have a wide circulation. Why would they choose the Reporter over these? Who is making these decisions at SF HSA? Ted's one line says it all.
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:37 AM By Abeca Christian
This is an injustice to all children!! We should imprison all adoption agencies that allow this and should get rid of laws that encourage these types of adoptions! Research has shown that children do better with one mom and one dad! This is a curse to our society! Poor innocent children!
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:36 AM By Thomas Edward Miles
NO ONES ASKED IF THEY COULD USE MY BODY IN THAT AD, EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT FOLKS, YES, YOUR LOVING GOD CREATED ME!
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:59 AM By mountainlion
Let's start with purging the sins of the pedophile priests who have been praying on little children for millenium, before you attack a gay newspaper's unfortunate choice of where appropriately to put ads. Where is the research to support your allegation of what the ACP stated?
Grow up and love into the real world; and do as your savior commands and pull the log out of your eye before turning to another's speck.
Burn any witches lately?
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:28 PM By Richard Mc Candlish
This is absolute evil. Satan is the guiding force behind this, as he is for everything that constifutes the 'culture of death' . And make no mistake, 'culture of death' refers to homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, drugs and anything that separates us from the love of God. The horrific murder of a 17-month-old child in England, referenced in Damian Thompson's Catholic blog on the 'Daily Telegraph' is precisely a case in point.
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:58 PM By Grisha
Abecca Christian - I really wish every child had a home with a loving mom and dad. Unfortunately, a lot don't. I didn't.
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:02 PM By Abeca Christian
mountainlion how appropriate it is for you to use holy scripture just so you can help this agenda move further! It is appropriate for you because that is what you hide under under false pretense! Our Lord already made it clear on who children should be raised! We are here to save souls not condemn them. Stick to the subject that is here now and quite condoning such evil acts!
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:30 PM By mountaincub
mountainlion, Your claws should be equally sharpened towards every kind of evil. Calling the placement of the ad "unfortunate" is as mild and wrong a description as is calling the molesting of children by pedohile priests "unfortunate". They are both wrong. Maybe the log in your own eye is selective denial of evil. Have you chosen to ignore certain evil lately?
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:09 PM By The Truth Hurts
Thomas Edward Miles, Your patron saint's names of St. Thomas who brilliantly taught the faith and St. Edward the Confessor who courageously restored the rule are exemplary role models.Your capital lettered enthusiasm displayed in your post about the picture above of a male muscle man's image shows just the opposite of what your role models in your Catholic faith lived and died for. Where a man's treasure is so lies his heart and his enthusiasm. You are right to expect kindness and dignity in the treatment of homosexuals. How blessed you would be and us for knowing you if you always showed that same enthusiasm for the *fullness* of the Truth.
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:46 PM By Pax Christi
Gadzooks! What was it again that Christ said about it being better to fasten a millstone around the neck and casting oneself into the sea rather than to harm the little ones?
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Posted Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:22 PM By JLS
mountainlion, the logs are long gone; but some politicians used them to make a cabin. Is the mountain lion your totem?
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:28 AM By Canisius
You can always count on Grisha and the likes of her to defend such garbage. And of course the newest sodomite mountain lion with telling us not to judge. Well I do judge and I pray for the complete and utter destruction of the satanic influences that the sodomite community has brought up this nation... smash progressives, smash tolerance...smash diversity
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:54 AM By Ron
I have been saying for years that if the Social Workers were doing their job they would find the majority of adopted children of gay couples are being molested.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:53 AM By JLS
I am greatly offended by these perverts taking the name of nature in vain. They should stop fouling the natural world with mocking impersonations of animals. Animals are good; homosexual activists are bad.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:25 AM By Grisha
Canisius: I didn't defend anything, I just stated an opinion. Also - I'm a guy.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:31 AM By Abeca Christian
Thomas Edward Miles that's right God created you. With that comes a huge responsibility to honor His good name with obedience, modesty, chastity etc etc etc.....
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:14 PM By The original Frank
I'd like to offer some hints to Canisius, who may take or leave them as he is able. (1) From Catholic.com: "St. Peter
Canisius followed the Jesuit policy that harsh words should not be used, that those listening would see an example of
charity in the way Catholics acted and preached." (2) "Grisha" is a man's name. (3) If you search this page, you
yourself are the first to use the word "judge." (4) Grisha said nothing to defend anyone, he only wished he'd grown up
with a mother and father. If that seems to you like an attack or a defense, what does that say about you?
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:46 PM By Peter
While were smashing, Canisius, lets smash some Christians too!
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:24 PM By Abeca Christian
Peter now now, you must want to make more martyrs here, yes chap. Canisius bath houses? Isn't that where Peter is at now, smashing more Christians I dare say. Canisius a person with conviction, sweet music to my ears....
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:42 PM By Editor
Editor: We received an email last night (Aug. 11) from the writer of the story saying, "CCCYO pulled their adoptions page linking to Family Builders since our story came out."
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:37 PM By Mark from PA
Abeca Christian, if that hate filled rant is sweet music to your ears, I am truly sorry. It is frightening.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:59 PM By Peter
Gay adaption next to abortion is the worst form of child cruelty.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:05 PM By MHR Picture Taker
Where is the San Francisco Bishop? Probably watching reruns of Brokeback Mountain,
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:41 PM By JLS
Anybody notice the ad man's face? No evidence of beard. There is no way someone can shave that close. That image is a total fantasy evidently conjured up for the homosexual deviant crowd. A face too young for a beard and a bizarre steroidal physique! These people are utterly demented ... they want young boys on steroids for their sex partners.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:07 PM By Abeca Christian
Dear Mr. Editor than you for the update. Well appreciated.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:09 AM By The original Frank
Canisius, the "Hammerer of the Heretics," was St. Anthony of Padua,
not Peter Canisius (one reference calls him Hammer of Protenstantism).
By all descriptions I've found, Peter Canisius was a very gentle but strong and intelligent man
who succeeded by persistence and kind words. I doubt that "I truly
hate people like you" was in his lexicon. Though you say, Canisius,
you "have zero Charity" but also "God forgive me" I take it that
you have an inner craving for Charity, as Paul writes in 1Cor 13:
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not
charity, I am become [as] sounding brass or a tinkling cymbal"...
Hoping God continues to bless you and keep you safe from harm... Imagine!
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:27 AM By Peter
Thanks Canisius for your words of wisdom. You are a model Christian, a pinnacle of the Catholic faith and an inspiration to all. I eagerly anticipate the poetic beauty of your next divinely inspired post. God love ya.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:19 PM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA I will have to say, you and I differ in opinion. I'm sorry that it frightened you. Not my intention dear soul.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:30 PM By Canisius
Oh Peter your sarcasm is driving me to tears, but thats how liberals respond when someone does not bow down to them. My dream a world without liberals
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:56 PM By Grisha
CANISIUS: A world without librals (or conservatives) would be very boring.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:24 PM By Ski Ven
I have my doubts as to if it is a good idea to publish the photo that is associated with this article. It can be an occasion of sin for Mark from PA. We should not place stumbling blocks in the way of someone else's salvation.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:24 PM By JLS
PA, I'm glad to read your apology.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:32 PM By Mark from PA
Ski Ven, I smiled when I read your post. (I do have a sense of humor about some things.) Abeca Christian, I think it is horrible that someone hopes for the destruction of a great American city and its people. There are children in San Francisco.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:45 PM By Abeca Christian
Grisha there are no liberals in heaven, and heaven is not at all boring. Now about here on earth, well it won't be boring without the liberals, it will only be more peaceful and less tempting to sin. We are all sinners and yes we fall in sin like Adam and Eve did but they were not liberals.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:42 PM By MarkF
Canisius, you do go over the top a lot on here. Yeah, the homosexual activists are really dangerous and possibly even satanically influenced people. But man, what does it help to use such language? It really turns off people who are in the middle - people who are not homosexual activists but are also not in line with the Church's thinking. Try to find a voice that works to change hearts and minds. As for this ad, it does not surprise me one bit. The whole point of "gay" adoption as a political campaign is not about the kids. It's about promoting homosexuality. Having said that, I know of some men who have same-sex attraction but who are not very active with it who are great fathers to the kids they fathered with women. But if our interests is with the kids and not with the cause of homosexuality then we should not allow adoption by homosexual couples. I've seen some gay couples with adopted kids, and frankly, it's a bit creepy. And evidence is mounting that kids raised like this grow up to become homosexuals a lot too.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 7:48 AM By Peter
Sarcasm, Canisius? Then you DO understand that your words are hollow, that you're a mediocre Christian and even less of a Catholic, and that your posts are uninspired drivel? Glad we're on the same page here.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 8:27 AM By Peter
Casinius (and Abeca Christian), let me be a little more compassionate in my response: What you see from me is that I don’t even pretend to be a Catholic/Christian; but coming to this site has given me insight into what being a Catholic/Christian actually means (no sarcasm intended), and it has raised my level of respect for a group of people with whom I do and I will disagree on a number of material issues ad infinitum. I have moved from general disdain to understanding, and I take personal responsibility for having made what I now consider to be an informed choice to pursue a different spiritual path. On the other hand, it seems that you betray your espoused convictions by posting blatant hate – not of sin, but of actual people, who, if I understand the faith correctly, are not to be defined by the nature of their sin, but who by repentance and grace can be forgiven.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 8:50 AM By Abeca Christian
Peter all that your posted are just excuses to not seek truth and to not turn away from sin. I only say this in charity because if you are looking to learn from the faith, reading posts and responses here is not the way to do it. Yes Peter you will provoke even responses you don't care to hear because of some of your responses that only go against Church teachings and yes this provokes out of humans some unwelcome comments. I'll continue to keep you in my prayers. Remember this: When Jesus said to the people that they must eat of His flesh and drink of His blood to gain salvation, there where people who didn't like what they heard, so many turned away and left. That is sad, because they turned down Jesus. Even Jesus said some things that seemed cruel and not right to the human ear but they were truth because Jesus is the truth and salvation and that is only found in the Catholic Church. Now like mother Teresa once said " if you find a perfect church and join it, then it is not perfect anymore" The church is perfect but human's are not, you will always find error with humans.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 8:53 AM By Canisius
Hey Peter you have typical liberal understanding. There is no sin in hating evil and those who espouse it. They are unrepentant and arrogant and attack my faith on every level. Sure they can be forgiven, but there can be no forvgiveness without repentance. Unlike liberal catholics who have hollowed out the faith in the name of tolerance and diversity, I do not hide my contempt. You sound like a typical liberal who believes that judgement should never made on anyone or any type of behaviour. WRONG.. we have every right to judge evil and corrupt behavoiur which has infected this society like the plague. How many souls have been lost due to wonderful sexual liberation that has run rampant. As a liberal you are incapable of thinking along those lines, the liberal philosophy if it feels good do it, is what probably runs your life. And hereby accuses you and the entire progressive community of every social ill that has come upon this once great country. They abortion, divorce, sexual promiscuity, the destruction of the familty, the rise of homosexual mafia and on and on. THis is why I pray for God;s wrath...Finally dont ever tell me what kind of Catholic I am you would not know. Lucky for you we will never meet, then you would know has fast my fists can be.,beating on a liberal is like Christmas everday of the week
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 1:46 PM By JLS
Peter, it does not matter if you're compassionate or not, except for your own soul and health.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 2:45 PM By Abeca Christian
Peter all that your posted are just excuses to not seek truth and to not turn away from sin. I only say this in charity because if you are looking to learn from the faith, reading posts and responses here is not the way to do it. Yes
Peter you will provoke even responses you don't care to hear because of some of your responses that only go against Church teachings and yes this provokes out
of humans some unwelcome comments. I'll continue to keep you in my prayers. Remember this: When Jesus said to the people that they must eat of His flesh and drink of His blood or they shall have not life within them, there where people who didn't like what they heard, so many turned away and left. That is sad, because they turned down
Jesus. Even Jesus said some things that seemed cruel and not right but they were truth because Jesus is the truth and salvation and that is only found in the Catholic Church. Now like mother Teresa once said " if you find a perfect
church and people join it, then it is not perfect anymore" The church is perfect but human's are not, you will always find error with humans.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 3:15 PM By Mark from PA
Well, Mark F, is hoping for the death of all liberals and the destruction of a city one hates to be considered dangerous and possibly even satanically influenced? As an adoptive parent I will tell you that perspective parents are screened to make sure they are suitable parents and can provide a loving home for a child. Unsuitable people, gay or straight, should be and are weeded out. I think the placement of the above ad was inappropriate. The orientation of the adoptive parents has no bearing on the orientation of the child as the basic for one's orientation is for the most part biological/genetic.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 5:26 PM By Mark from PA
Mark F, you ask Canisius to try to find a voice that works to change hearts and minds. I'll keep my own heart and mind, thank you. I certainly don't want it changed to smash progressives, smash tolerance, smash diversity. I am happy to belong to a diverse parish. But I admit that Canisius is honest, he is not afraid to say who he hates and doesn't give us any of that dishonest "love the sinner" stuff.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 7:02 PM By Mark from PA
I am glad that you understand Peter because as a Catholic/Christian I am still trying to. I see a side to our faith here that I never knew existed.
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Posted Saturday, August 15, 2009 7:36 AM By tedn
If "questioning authority" is one of the characteristics of a liberal, then yes, Adam and Eve were indeed liberals.
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Posted Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:49 PM By Grisha
Dear all - Let me say again that in terms of sheer numbers of situations, the question of how the Church responds to lesbian couples who have children via artificial insemination is much bigger than the issue of gay adoptions.
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Posted Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:57 PM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA I am totally with you on the comment that you just made here on August 14, 2009 "I see a side to our faith here that I never knew existed." Growing up I never knew that there where Catholics like Pelosi, Arnold, Mark from PA etc etc ever existed. The ones who keep judging Christ's church with disobedience. But then I kept re-evaluating my thoughts and realized that all throughout history people in the faith have always brought scandal to God's church and His people. Sin divides.
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Posted Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:11 PM By Abeca Christian
MarkF I will have to disagree with your comment to Canisius, saying that he is over the top. The reason he sounds over the top to some it is because the homosexual agenda has de-sensitized sin. I admire anyone with moral conviction in Christ. Some of these homosexuals on here are continually condoning disobedience and are defending immortal lifestyles, they are the one who are over the top especially when they are on a Catholic website stating that they too are Catholic. That is over the top to me. Take a look at St. Michael the Ark Angel, notice how he fights evil, it is with conviction. The spiritual battle and the evil one sometimes intimates the faithful, therefore we back down because of mere intimation. If only one knew what is truly at stake here, there will be more people with conviction on the right direction. Notice that the homosexual agenda doesn't back down, they use whatever intimation they need to back off the faithful but then there are those who are sick and tired of these scandals and that is where you have good people like Canisius and others who finally are speaking against these evils. We may not always do it right but at least we are trying and hope that God will keep showing us the right way. God have mercy on us all!
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Posted Monday, August 17, 2009 7:34 AM By Canisius
Mark F you say I am over the top with my perceived harsh comments. We have entire gang of sodomites in the church (lavender mafia) and their friends in the laity who are responsible for the destruction of countless souls. They mouth church teaching, but give a wink and a nod to immoral and criminal behavior. This is what angers me, and I have complete contempt for those who make excuses for them by trying to twist Church teaching for their own perverted ends. (ie Mark from PA) He claims he sees a side to the faith he never knew existed on this site Big surprise there, by his own admission his states his parishes is "diverse". Let me guess is it one of those 'catholic communities" which they sing how great they are, how loving, how compassionate, how tolerant they are. But not one mention of the Majestic Christ. Mark from PA views Christ as this peace loving hippie from Woodstock, where all are welcomed, no need to improve yourself, just come as you are. It doesnt matter if you are an unrepentant sodomite or adulter, you can affirm yourself here. Join hands and sing All will be Well.
I see Christ for who he is, the Majestic Christ of History, who will come to judge the living and the dead by fire. Who I tremble in awe before and kneel in praise of his glory and ask his forgiveness of my sins, and sins of the world.
But liberals cannot by definition admit to sin, they are either far too childish or arrogant in their mindset. Their stubboness will seal their fate
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Posted Monday, August 17, 2009 10:46 AM By Mark from PA
Canisius, I surely do not give a wink and a nod to criminal behavior. I am outraged at what some priests and bishops have done. Abeca Christian, to explain to you what I meant I will give an example. When Matthew Shepard was murdered I was stunned to see Rev. Phelps and his followers with their "God Hates Fags" signs. I was never exposed to people like that and felt thankful that we didn't have people like that in the Catholic Church. But as time went on I have come to realize that I was very naive and that some Catholics feel the same way that Rev. Phelps does.
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Posted Monday, August 17, 2009 7:58 PM By Charity
After reading through these comments, I can't help but be appalled at the viciousness of many of these "Catholics". I can't believe that people who call themselves "Catholics" would brag about beating up people for being gay. Such animal-like savagery is an egregious violation of traditional Catholic belief. This puerile hatred does not represent the traditional faith that I grew up with. These hateful cafeteria Catholics make me ashamed to be a Catholic.
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Posted Monday, August 17, 2009 11:01 PM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA oh.
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Posted Monday, August 17, 2009 11:01 PM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA oh.
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Posted Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:43 PM By Abeca Christian
Charity I may not have read all of these comments but I don't remember reading about any one saying that they would beat up someone for being gay. Are you imagining things or am I not reading them well?
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Posted Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:03 PM By Mark from PA
This is what they teach in our Church, Canisius. From Sunday's sermon. "Jesus said, 'Truly, truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood had eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him." "He who eats this bread will live forever." Our pastor gave a sermon on the importance and the miracle of the Eucharist. Our pastor has different ideas than you do, Canisius. Our is a parish of inclusion, not exclusion.
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Posted Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:06 PM By Charity
I'll pray for you so that the Lord will lift the scales of hatred from your eyes.
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Posted Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:59 PM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA why are you assuming so ill of Canisius. Now that you have read on Sunday's sermon, perhaps you may want to be inclusive on topics of immortal sin such as homosexuality and not be so exclusive. Does your pastor now what you post here? Is he very aware of how you are representing your parish? I would love to hear from your pastor and see if he agrees with most of your posts here? I know nothing about your parish priests only from what you have posted here, so I will not place my opinion about them just yet because I did not hear their side, but believe me, you have not painted a pretty picture some of the time in regards to your condoning of homosexual lifestyles and for voting for Obama. I am curious about what your parish priests really think about these postings from you?
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Posted Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:40 AM By Canisius
First of all Mark From PA its Parish not Church. [COMMENT EDITED] I am sure you felt so good about yourself after your pastor gave his sermon. I am positive that not once your pastor given a homily on sin or the need for repentance, or how the forces of darkness that have entered the church by denying sin exist at all. Honestly answer this question, does your "parish" which you say is inclusive welcome unrepentant, adulterers, pedophiles, those who practice incest, and evey other unholy act on earth. Tell me Mark from PA does your wonderfully progressive parish even believe that Hell exists and those who are unrepentant are going there. Do they even know what the unforgiveable sin is if not I will tell you, it is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Calling that which is evil, holy. Such as homosexual relations something you have no problem with, along with many in this corrupt culture. Ask your progressive pastor that one. Remember this, when you close your eyes for the last time, all the tolerance, inclusiveness and diversity is not going to save your soul...you are not getting to heaven because you think you are good person...
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Posted Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:42 PM By Mark from PA
Canisius, I don't know if our parish is more progressive on average than other parishes. I don't know if my pastor is more progressive than most. Some think he is too conservative but he works hard for our parish and gives of himself. But we are surely one of the most diverse parishes in our diocese, and yes I am proud of this. Our parish strongly supports our diocese. We often have sermons about life issues and even have had letters read from the bishop on life issues. Abeca Christian, I am not assuming about Canisius, I am commenting on things he has said, some of which I find frightening. I have mentioned before that I did discuss the election with a priest before I voted.
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Posted Friday, August 21, 2009 1:03 PM By Canisius
mark from pa, of course you are proud of diversity, that is the cardinal vriture of liberalism. Notice how you are not able to answer my direct questions, typical of a liberal when faced with cold facts change the subject, you have been defeated..your diversity wont save your soul
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Posted Friday, August 21, 2009 2:25 PM By JLS
Yes, even though violence is out of the question for Catholics, except under a host of circumstances, faithful Catholics should always treat their enemies in such a way as to bring them to an epiphany of faith. Of course, one has to keep in mind as a good Catholic that the old ritual of "rolling a queer" rather works against this goal of faith. And carrying it to a higher level, such as cheering at the thought that the North Koreans now have a rocket that can deliver a nuke to San Francisco, has been addressed almost literally by Jesus. His top disciples asked Him to bring down fire on those who were persecuting Him, but He refrained from doing so ... and then again when Pilate was busy explaining to Jesus about how much power and authority he wielded on behalf of the Roman Empire, Jesus reassured Pilate that, even though He could do so, yet He would not call in twelve legions of angels. So, the bottom line is to find a way to convey to those engaging in unsafe sex, both temporally and eternally, that there is a way that is better all around. Thus, one always hopes for conversions of heart from perversion towards purity.
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Posted Friday, August 21, 2009 4:45 PM By Mark from PA
How do you know what my pastor preaches on? He gives homilies on the readings of the day. Surely he has spoken of the need for repentance. I don't recall him speaking about forces of darkness. Perhaps there are those who are guilty of adultery and other sins in my parish, I don't sit there and think about it. We have confession every week so they can avail themselves of that. I have read that in the past in the Irish Church there was a strong emphasis on the evils of sex but this was particular to that country.
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Posted Friday, August 21, 2009 6:45 PM By Shane
You publish canisius threat of violence against Peter but you won't publish my response. SCREW THAT!!!
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Posted Friday, August 21, 2009 8:32 PM By MarkF
I would not hold your breath for a straight answer from Mark from PA. After almost a year of trying I've concluded that he is not constituted to be able to give a straight answer to a question. His only god is the god of his own homosexuality. All other experiences are seen through the lens of his own homosexuality, and all of life is filtered to see what good it does to promote homosexuality. Who knows what his parish really is like. But remember when you're dealing on here that this is a person who does not believe in the devil (as far as his own homosexuality goes), does not believe that all scripture is inspired (the parts that deal with homosexuality are not inspired, coincidence?), believes that the centurion had a gay "boyfriend" who Jesus healed, and supports that same policy that lead to the homosexual abuse scandal in the first place. Canisius, I've heard you make some statements that make me cringe too and I think there are better ways to express your disapproval of homosexuality. I can understand your anger but as far as Mark from PA goes, move on man, move on. He's a serial dissenter who seems to be here only to spread the gospel of homosexuality. Move on man, move on.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:29 PM By Abeca Christian
Charity now you did it. The one who truly hates is you. You hate God's people who are faithful and you mock the name charity on this website. I just said a prayer for you. I hope that your hatred for the faithful will diminish and truly grow your faith in the Lord with conviction and truth.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:36 PM By tedn
Abeca Christian: To answer your question to Charity, an earlier post on this very thread says, quote: "...you will be in so many pieces they couldn't put you back togather if they had instructions". (Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:31 PM )
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:52 PM By JLS
I'm going to side with Canisius on this issue. Why? Because this homosexual power grab has gone too far. I just read a press release on Iran's program of political suppression by rape. It appears that the entire government of Iran is homosexual, or at least they use homosexual acts to damge and intimidate those they manage to capture. They do this to their own citizens, to teenage boys and also girls and women. There is no difference in the homosexual political movement in the U.S. It has to be stopped, legally of course; and the law can use traditional Catholic approved means to force compliance with laws that need to be put on the books in this nation. It may sound absurd to think that such a thing could be legislated in the West, but much of the legislation today is done by the courts, and approved by the legislatures by their inaction and disregard for the citizens opposed to them. I'm going to break out the Constitutional documents bearing on the topic of "treason", to see exactly how close the govt has approached it.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:21 PM By Mark from PA
JLS, the government of Iran is certainly not homosexual. Homosexual acts are outlawed in Iran. They are against the law. Homosexuals have been executed in Iran because of their sexual orientation. Don't you remember when Ahmadinejad was in New York and he said that they don't have any homosexuals in Iran? I don't doubt that sexual violence is used against girls and women in Iran but this surely has nothing to do with homosexuality but rather this is the sign of a patriarchial system gone amok.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:44 PM By Mark from PA
Mark F, you state that I support the same policy that lead to the abuse scandal in the first place. That is completely false. You haven't read what I have had to say on other discussions here. I think that priests who had sex with young people should have been removed, not tranferred to other parishes. I also feel that if a priest gets a woman or a teen pregnant then he should be removed from the priesthood. That is surely a scandal but it has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is an outrage that some priests have encouraged woman they have impregnated to get abortions. They should be removed also. You say, "His only god is the god of his own homosexuality." You are the only person that I have ever come across that has said such an insulting and demeaning thing to me. To say such a thing to me is to infer that to you I am some kind of sub-human thing. I am glad that you understand Canisius' anger. At least he is a human being in your eyes.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:53 PM By JLS
Shane, it helps to rewrite a post that does not make the cut. Sometimes there is such a volume of entries that ... I shutter to say it, but ... babies get tossed out with the bathwater. Simply rewrite it and resubmit it and see what happens. It's content with minimal ad hominem junk, and then only for artistic merit that seems to run well on this site.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:00 PM By JLS
I guess I find charity's post rather mild, and this because maybe I got my feet wet doing street preaching on Sunset Strip in 1974 for a couple of weeks. We had a huge revival tent up on Hollywood Blve for the evening services. That was all Protestant but a young couple of charismatic Catholics came to the meeting; I talked with them, and saw something of Catholicism -- they did not say anything particular about it, but there was a depth of faith that stood out with an amazing aspect to it. That was a great contrast to the extreme hostility we had found working the streets, especially on the weekends. Those of you who are not too sure what demonic possession looks like ought to check out such places ... by walking around in them and talking about Jesus ... Do not do it alone.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:06 PM By JLS
I do not think Canisius is dissing individual homosexuals, but is outraged at the movement to "normalize" or promote it. Bit difference. But non-Christians often are not cognizant nor do they behave with the unique individual personality factor which especially the Catholics take for granted. So when attacking the homosexual political movement, the homosexual will feel personally attacked. PA reacts in this manner. One of the freedoms provided by Christianity is the freedom to be aware of and live out one's unique personality. This is something of an order many steps up from seeing oneself as a member of a mob.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:11 PM By Abeca Christian
tedn you only quoted partially and not the whole picture, that response was in defense due to Peter threatening to smash Christians. Funny how some people don't point out that fact. I consider it unjust when people don't tell the whole story, they only use certain things that only help promote their cause, in this case, some people are defensive when people can't stand mortal sin. I don't condone any type of violence and I also don't condone slander against any Christian who has strong convictions against mortal sins.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:55 PM By Charity
Abeca, I was not on this site making any threats against other people. My response was a rational one to uncivilized people that were saying that they would like to smash Peter into pieces, show him how fast their fists can move, and that beating on him is like Christmas every day of the week. The Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly rejects such ill-tempered views. In section 2303 it reads "Deliberate hatred is contrary to charity. Hatred of the neighbor is a sin when one deliberately wishes him evil. Hatred of the neighbor is a grave sin when one deliberately desires him grave harm. 'But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.'" I also think you need to read section 2477 which says in part "He becomes guilty of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;..." If you reject the teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, then you are a Cafeteria Catholic. On a lighter note: thanks for praying for me, I sure could use it.
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Posted Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:19 PM By The original Frank
JLS: You say you're on Canesius' side? Your soul would be safer on the Catholic side. Canesius' harshly literal interpretation of Mat 12:31, consistent with his frequently harsh language, is not the interpretation given by Augustine, Aquinas or JPII. According to these venerable Church Fathers, the "unforgivable sin" is the sin of knowing refusal to accept salvation in the final moment of life, when there's no turning back. That the sin is unforgivable has nothing to do with the sinner's speech or sexuality, but with the sinner rejecting God's forgiveness. --||-- Furthermore, I don't understand your logic, referring to prisoner rape in Iran, "There is no difference in the homosexual political movement in the U.S." This sounds to me like unsubstantiated gay-bashing.
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Posted Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:16 AM By tedn
You may be on to something, JLS. Our government's use of homosexual intimidation, applied POW suspects (in Iraq, Gitmo, etc.) under the GWB administration, might indeed be treasonous.
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Posted Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:21 AM By Peter
JLS - For the most part, it is illegal to be homosexual in Iran. If you're caught, you face a very likely death penalty. Caught you in a little fib, maybe?
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Posted Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:17 PM By Mark from PA
Mark F, in regard to your de-humanizing comment, I must tell you that my orientation is not really something that I am open about or discuss with most people. Since I have never actually had relations with a man I don't know what it exactly is that you are getting at in your accusations. In a way I can commend you for being open about who you are. To tell you the truth, the reason that I comment here is because I see that some people here are prejudiced against gay people and have stereotyped ideas about them and I want to counter-act some of the negative stereotypes.
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Posted Friday, August 28, 2009 4:44 PM By Abeca Christian
Charity everyone who knows me definitely knows that I am not a Cafeteria Catholic. But after much reading your posts and how you go about using the church to convey what you want to promote, it just tells me that you are in bad will. So it does not matter what you think of me, only what my Lord does. Capish!
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Posted Friday, August 28, 2009 11:21 PM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA you keep saying that you never had a sexual relation with a man?? Hum, then why do you think you are homosexual? But you are right, you don't have to answer that, it is very personal, like I'm sure there are other details about your life that we don't know about, at least it would be nice to hear more honest responses from men to help find out what got them to believing that they are homosexual. What went wrong, what clicked. Another thing, we all know that you are only here for the wrong reasons, you are blinded by your passion to defend homosexuality. You are blinded so much that truth and good sense is not visible to you. Sometimes what you may be driven to do may not be God's will, but your own due to bad will. You don't have to agree with me, I don't expect that.
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Posted Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:19 PM By Mark from PA
Yes, Abeca Christian, that is true, I have never had sexual relations with a man. In a social sense I am not gay, in a biological sense I am more gay than straight. I do not label myself as a homosexual and don't really even use this term in speech. I also do not label myself as someone "suffering from same sex attractions" as I find this to be a stupid label and one that is only used by a very small number of people who dislike gay people. I consider myself a child of God. I consider myself to be a devout Catholic. I am not defending any harmful sexual activity here. I am defending the right of gay people to be protected from discrimination, prejudice and hate. I am saying that all people need to be treated with respect. I am saying that gay people are equal in dignity to other people and are our brother and sisters, not "disordered creatures" or "inferior beings" or any other derogatory term.
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