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Published: July 2, 2008
“A beautiful act of love”
The papal master of ceremonies explains how Pope Benedict XVI’s liturgical decisions are neither pre- nor postconciliar
“The pope does not put on Prada, but Christ,” said Fr. Guido Marini, the Holy Father’s master of ceremonies, in an interview that appeared in the June 26 L'Osservatore Romano. Marini was explaining Pope Benedict XVI’s decisions affecting the liturgy.
 Marini said the pope’s restoration of the traditional Latin Mass and liturgy had a “precise, twofold intention.” The first, said Marini, was to make it “easier to reach ‘a reconciliation in the bosom of the Church’; and in this sense, as has been said, the motu proprio is a beautiful act of love for the unity of the Church.” The pope’s second aim “is that of fostering a mutual enrichment between the two forms of the Roman rite: in such a way, for example, that in the celebration according to the missal of Paul VI (the ordinary form of the Roman rite) ‘will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage.”
As for the pope’s celebration last January of Mass in the Sistine Chapel at the ancient altar, facing liturgical east, Marini explained that such a celebration “is not a matter of turning one's back to the faithful, but rather of orienting oneself together with the faithful toward the Lord. From this point of view, ‘the door is not closed on the assembly,’ but ‘the door is opened to the assembly,’ and it is led to the Lord.”
According to Marini, kneeling for communion and receiving it on the tongue will become "a regular practice at papal celebrations." The master of ceremonies noted that “the distribution of communion in the hand remains, from the juridical point of view, a dispensation from the universal law, conceded by the Holy See to the bishops' conferences that have asked for it.” Benedict’s proposed practice at papal Masses “tends to emphasize the continued validity of the norm for the whole Church,” said Marini. Receiving on the tongue, he continued, “better highlights the truth of the real presence in the Eucharist, aids the devotion of the faithful, and makes it easier to enter into the sense of mystery. In our time, pastorally speaking, it is urgent to recover and emphasize these aspects.”
What of those who accuse Benedict of imposing “preconciliar models” on the Church? Terms like "preconciliar" and "postconciliar," “it seems to me,” said Marini, “belong to an outdated language, and if they are used with the intention of indicating a discontinuity in the Church's journey, I maintain that they are mistaken and typical of highly reductive ideological views. There are ‘old things and new things’ that belong to the treasury of the Church of all time, and must be considered as such.”
“Not all that is new is true, nor is all that is old,” said Marini. “The truth spans old and new, and it is for this that we must strive, without prejudice. The Church lives according to the law of continuity in virtue of which it recognizes development rooted in tradition.
“What is most important,” Marini continued, “is that everything work together so that the liturgical celebration truly is the celebration of the sacred mystery, of the crucified and risen Lord who becomes present in his Church, reenacting the mystery of salvation and calling us, in the logic of an authentic and active participation, to share to the full in his own life, which is a life given in love to the Father and to his brothers, a life of holiness.”
Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:06 AM By Central Valley
The Holy Father speaks and acts, is the American church looking and listening? We hear from time to time of a pastor following the altar arrangement of Benedict, maybe prohibiting altar girls. We even see some bishops around the country and the world following the Holy Fathers lead. Here in the Fresno diocese we have many good, holy priests very much dedicated to their calling. At the same time as the Holy Father now gives communion kneeling during papal masses, I know of one parish where the priest is pressuring the faithful to give money to an appeal to recovate a parish, destroy a beautiful altar and of course tear out the existing altar rail, all in the “spirit” of Vatican II. Rome is setting a very good example but some priests in the Fresno diocese think they know better. Why doesn’t the bishop intervene? Maybe in a few years when the current bishop retires the Fresno diocese can fall more in line with Rome instead of allowing renegade priests to do their “thing”. In the writings of the Holy Father he clearly states the corrections he is initiating are not the personal opinions of Joseph Ratzinger, but are based on apostolic tradition. Sadly many parish priests thing they know better than the Holy Father.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:08 AM By Dan
Benedict is saying that the Mass is about Jesus, not about us. Listening to a lot of contemporary music, you would think the Mass is about us. Listening to some priests, you would think the Mass is about them. When will we all get on board with Benedict?
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:14 AM By FHKJ
Now that Pope Benedict XVI has permitted the celebration of the TLM, what is he going to do about the members of the Society of St. Pius X? No more concessions should be made to these heretics. Either you follow the Holy Father and are a member of the Church of you are not!
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:54 AM By Barbara
Society of St. Pius X heretics? They are just practicing pre-Vatican II Catholicism. That's the only kind of Catholicism I understand and practice.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:31 AM By Elizabeth
I say bring back the Communion rails!!!!
It helps people to have respect and makes them think of the awesomeness of whom they are about to receive!
The altar has become 'too familiar' to many with people just walking up, having pictures taken like they are at Disneyland with Mickey or Minnie.
And to receive our Lord by mouth that is most appropriate!!!!
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:35 AM By Vincent DiCarlo
Once you are able to perceive the contrast between a liturgy oriented toward God and one oriented toward us, it really starts to jump out at you. I was at a Mass recently where some really well intentioned people, following their instincts and preferences, picked out about 5 hyms from our book. They ALL seemed to be how wonderful we are are, what great things we are doing, and how we are going to sweep away all that dusty musty stuff from the past and build a new church. The music was trite and sappy folk pop which, in small doses, I actually like. Some of the songs would be fine for a praise service outside of Mass, but some seem subtly to promote heresy. In any event, something has to be done about the boomer folk rock performance going on at the front of the church in every Mass.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:35 AM By John L. Sillasen
SSPX or any other group is not heretic unless defined as that by a pope, and this has not occured in the case of SSPX. Heresy, simply put, has to do with the Sacraments; whereas, schism has to do with recognition of papal primacy. Niether of these is part of SSPX; if it were, then they would not be engaged with papal discussions, and their Sacraments are our Sacraments. They are we; we are they: This is not a "yellow submarine" situation, but is inhouse ... as in the father giving a time out to his child. He does not starve the child, nor banish the child. BTW, innumerable heretics receive the power of Christ through the Sacrament of Baptism. Sometimes this divine power is made better use of than it is by those Catholics who can avail themselves of all the spiritual resources. Is God going to favor someone who has all the riches but does not use them or even abuses them, over someone who has only one tiny seed of faith but gives it everything he's got?
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:25 AM By vincent
Three cheers for Pope Benedict.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 2:13 PM By Fr. M.P.
Great for Pope B16! Although one typically wouldn't know it, receiving Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling is actually the Church norm. The on-the-hand-standing was allowed for a Bishop to decide, based on past *disobedient abuses*, via an indult - a special exception. The Bishops of the world voted against Communion in the hand in 1969 as documented in Memoriale Domini. The Pope can easily remove this indult at any time.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:44 PM By sonojim
The Holy See has long held that the SSPX is a "schismatic" movement, not a heretical one. As such, AB Lefebvre and his ordained ordinaries were all excommunicated years ago for a variety of canonical misdeeds. The Holy Father recently made a generous gesture of reconciliation with the SSPX, they declined.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:30 PM By George
What does all this tell you! Benedict cannot rule, he must love, suggest, advise. He is a New Age Pope without real power. He must seek agreement with the bishops he supposedly rules. Pope St. Pius V ruled. Benedict seeks agreement through love. Nothing wrong with love. Better said, there is nothing wrong with ruling with charity.
The trouble is that Vatican II took away the Pope's tiara and made all bishops relatively equal. Vatican II also created a new religion, new clergy and new sacraments.
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:06 PM By John L. Sillasen
But George, he is ruling; it's just that you disagree with his rulings. Also, how sure are you that your beliefs and the manner in which you believe are valid?
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Posted Wednesday, July 02, 2008 10:44 PM By FHKJ
Barbara: You are splitting hairs. Schismatics or heretics? You won't extend the same consideration to the much despised lovers of the Vatican II Church Catholics.
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Posted Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:23 AM By Angelo
I greatly admire Msgr Guido Marini. I also am very grateful
to God for BXVl. The great tradition has not died out, "Where
Peter is, there is the Church!" The Schismatic Bishops of
the SSPX have poisoned the souls of their followers. I see
that Rome will have no choice, but to excommunicate these
schismatic followers. For the sake of the pure preservation
of the Gregorian Rite of the Mass. The sooner the better.
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Posted Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:45 AM By Angelo
The Fathers of the Council made an exception to kneeling
for communion. And it was only an exception! Stating that
when there was a large number of faithful recieving communion. In order not to prolong the Mass. Communion
may be given to the faithful standing. But an outward sign of
reverence must be made by the comunicant. When receiving
kneeling, no other other outward sign of reverance is
necessary. As kneeling is already a sign of reverence. So
the spirit of Vatican ll people falsley led us to believe that the council abolished kneeling for communion. And the SSPX would like to trick us into believing, that Vll caused
all the great upheavel in the Church. Let us be faithful to the
Vicar of Christ, and not false prophets!
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 12:03 AM By Janek
The S.S.P.X. are not heretics and their Masses are VALID this has been stated time and time again from Cardinal Hoyos himself, so please stop the hatred against the S.S.P.X. if it was not for them their would be no Moto Propio and the HUGE growth of the Traditonal Latin Mass sprouting up everywhere, pray for the return of the S.S.P.X. to Rome where they belong and a return of the Traditional Latin Mass to all of our altars!! Deo Gratias Benedictus XVI
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 12:10 PM By Angelo
I'm tired of hearing that the SSPX is the reason why we now
have the restoration of the Gregorian Rite of the Mass. In
1980 JP the Great called on all the Bishops of the world to
take a survey of the faithful in their dioceses, To determine
if there was still a desire for the Tridentine Mass. The surveys were never taken. Most Bishops did not respond,
while those who did, assured that there was no such desire among their faithful. On March 25, 1984, the Supreme Pontiff
consecrated Russia and the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. What happened that year???
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 12:29 PM By Angelo
I'll tell you what happened during the year of the Consecration! In October of 1984, the year of the consecration, accepted by Heaven, according to Sister
Lucia Dos Santos. John Paul the Great, granted an Indult,
Motu Proprio, allowing the Old Latin Mass again. He worked
very hard to study the status of the Old Rite. In 1988, it was
The SSPX desire to form an official Schism in the Church.
They used the "We have good intentions" justification clause. Fr. Basil Cole, a Dominican Priest. Once said,
"I assure you, Hell is filled with people who had good intentions." Let us heed the words in Scripture, "Work out your Salvation with fear and trembling." So in my opinion
the SSPX has no right to claim any credit for the restoration
of the Gregorian Rite of the Mass.
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 12:53 PM By hollingsworth
Msgr. Marini: "The pope’s second aim “is that of fostering a mutual enrichment between the two forms of the Roman rite"
If the MC is pipe dreaming. No "mutual enrichment" can or will occur between the two rites. They are two different rites. One has the imprimatur of centuries. The other is a freemasonic concoction abetted by Protestants.
As to FHKJ and his(her) intemperate remark, re: "No more concessions should be made to these heretics. Either you follow the Holy Father and are a member of the Church of you are not!"
How dare you call members of SSPX "heretics?" The Holy Father does not, nor do any of his hierarchical operatives. Benedict finds common cause with heretics and non-Christian religions all the time. So where do you get off using this kind of language. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 1:05 PM By Fr. M.P.
Janek says "if it was not for them [SSPX] their would be no Moto Propio and the HUGE growth of the Traditonal Latin Mass sprouting up everywhere." Not really. Pope B16, who is well aware of 'T'radition, is promoting the return. SSPX has been around since the 1988 excommunications and only recently, with Pope B16, has this happened. Yes, pray that SSPX reunites to Rome.
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 1:44 PM By Thomas
Our Lord and His Blessed Mother preserved the Traditional Mass for the Church. Yes, the SSPX played a role in this, but humility requires gratitude for this grace, not going on and on in taking credit for it. It's funny that contemporary discussions about the SSPX always seem to end up being about them, while at the same time disobedient modernist bishops and priests in "good standing" always make their own imagined "persecution from Rome" about themselves. If, the Holy Father wishes a Traditional Latin Mass in every parish, and prefers Catholics to receive Holy Communion kneeling on the tongue then he needs EVERY Tradition minded priest, religious, and lay person working together to make this happen. The aging modernist "spirit of Vatican II" liturgical hippie establishment won't be bending a knee or lifting a finger to do this as non serviam is their call sign. Thus, the SSPX needs to regularize their canonical situation and join the work, while those who have remained faithful but quiet need to support in both word and action this " interior reconciliation in the heart of the Church", and the liberal modernists, even those with an episcopal office, the circus is over folks. You need to either support the work of the Pope or retire! As anyone can observe at most parishes which have the extraordinary form of the Mass, the movement in support of Tradition is the youth movement of the Catholic Church. Deo gratias!
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 4:02 PM By John L. Sillasen
Fr. M.P., that sure makes sense in an important way: SSPX must re-unite with Rome, not the other way around.
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Posted Friday, July 04, 2008 10:27 PM By John L. Sillasen
hollingsworth, you make a good point about SSPX being labeled "heretic". Those who make such labels are in error; persistence would amount to bearing false witness against one's neighbor, a mortal sin.
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Posted Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:08 AM By Angelo
The SSPX rejects Vatican ll. They especially reject
Religous Liberty. Yet they have been spared by Rome
through this act of V2. Until now they have not been declared
damned by Rome. V2 confirmed the fact that anyone who dies outside of the Church, has no salvation, even if he should shed his blood for Christ. But the truth remains the truth. Scripture says, "Those of you who think you stand firm, take heed lest you fall."
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Posted Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:06 PM By Janek
Please do not start that JP 2 "Great" stuff 27 years of what? Mass attendance at 25% it was 75% before Vatican 2, closed churches, closed convents, closed seminaries, dancing nuns, altar girls, clown masses, gay masses, polka masses, these are all facts! On the other hand Benedict the "Great" may be more like it should he continue with his restoratation of Tradition, the TLM, growing Traditional orders such as the F.S.S.P., Institute of Christ the King, Mother Angelicas Nuns, the Nashville Dominicans, and yes and I say yes the S.S.P.X. Benedict has a Marshall Plan like Father Zulhsdorf has stated and he is intent on restoring and fixing what V2 did!!!
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Posted Sunday, July 06, 2008 4:56 AM By Angelo
Don't start blaming V2. Read the documents of the Council.
You'll be surprised. Or rather you'll be shocked. The truth of the fact is, V2 was misinterpreted by Heretics and Schismatics. Here's just one example: V2 called on Men and Woman Religious to return to the spirit of their founders.
They were being called to return to their great tradition of
the Saintly Founders of their orders. They in error did the complete opposite. So! How is it the fault of Vatican ll or of
Pope John Paul the GREAT. Also BXVl will be great, only
if he does the whims and fancies of us traditionlists? Lets get real or die trying!
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Posted Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:19 AM By Grisha
Janek ~ Could you please direct me to a church that regularly offers a Polka Mass? ''Roll out the barrell......"
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Posted Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:52 PM By Janek
You poor Novus Ordonarians it is always the same excuse for Vatican 2 "you did not read the documents" please show me where everything I stated post V2 is wrong. Once again if Vatican 2 was not followed by the book can you at least have the guts of a man or woman and admit the Church is a mess or maybe this is the way you prefer it, and yes my dear Grisha you know very well there are Polka Masses and other abomanations going on for the past 40 plus years, don't you people care about your soul I sure do.
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Posted Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:25 PM By Grisha
Janek ~ My point is that all this talk about weird masses just doesn't click with my real world Catholic experience. I don't doubt they exist(ed), but I've dropped in on masses all over the country and in Eastern Europe and never found one. Moreover, I've never heard of them except on this forum. How big of a "problem" are they?
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Posted Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:07 PM By John L. Sillasen
Christ has friends and He has fairweather friends. Corresponding with the Vatican II era, a lot of folks seem to have shown themselves fairweather friends.
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Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 5:06 AM By Fr. M.P.
Janek, can you not separate the sinners from the V2 doctrine? We are in the time of great apostasy. Do you recall that Pope Paul VI said that the smoke of satan has entered the Church?
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Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 7:05 AM By John L. Sillasen
Janeck, you do not seem to be able to handle the possibility that Vatican II has a purpose which is to out those of no faith, who had been hanging on to the trappings of Catholicism. Call it "open window" theology, it has exposed millions of faithless people. There is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo movement in its theology; rather, it serves to separate the wheat from the chaff. That being largely done, the fuller expression of religion may begin to take shape once again. But as the Pope has said, it will not likely ever be the same again. Too many people conceive of the Church as being something formulated and choreographed on paper and then acted out as if a play on a stage: No, the Church is where Peter is. The Church has a living God who rules Her as He sees fit, and does so through living men, one of whom serves as His vicar, ie His vicarious Self. In other words, a man can memorize every document ever produced ex cathedra and then pretend to be in charge of Catholicism, but if God so chooses some ... say ... ignorant fisherman to rule in His stead, then too bad for the guy with all the pretentions.
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Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 11:09 AM By hollingsworth
J. L. Sillasen :"There is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo movement in its theology; rather, it serves to separate the wheat from the chaff."
Oh my! Now that is an angle which few have explored. The NO ordained to separate the wheat from the chaff. That is a novel premise indeed! And, I suppose, the "wheat" are those who are slavishly obedient to its innovative precepts, and who unquestionally follow the Pope and his bishops in all things Novus Ordoian, right? As for nothing being wrong in its "theology," I was given to understand that V2 was a pastoral council, and not a theological one anyway. Are you suggesting, by chance, that the NO has forged new theological paths to which all the faithful must adhere?
"Too many people," you say, "conceive of the Church as being something formulated and choreographed on paper and then acted out as if a play on a stage." Well that's exactly what the Novus Ordo Missae is. It was formulated and drafted on paper in a very deliberate manner in a relatively short period of time. Unlike the old Missae which was the organic development of centuries. The Novus Ordo Missae was very definitely "choreographed on paper." Admittedly it lends itself to being acted out whimsically on stage, depending on the priest who "presides" over it.
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Posted Monday, July 07, 2008 2:47 PM By John L. Sillasen
hollingsworth, I come up with novel ideas; on this one, it looks as though you're writing the rest of the scenario. But there are lots of possibilities. In the issue of "theology of Vatican II", "theology" is a word that means the study of God.
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Posted Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:07 AM By Angelo
Janek, a question, Have you read the Council Documents!?
If you did, then you would see that all the silliness after the council, had absolutley nothing to do with what the Council
Fathers decreed. According to the well known and respected
Alice Von Hilderbrand, the whole mess in the Church today,
Did not begin after the Council, but began in the 1940's and
50's. Many Bishops, priests, religious and laity had already lost their faith, even before Blessed John XXlll called for the Council. Scripture fortold this day, "The day will come, when men will no longer endure sound doctrine..." Don't blame V2
for the devils work. The devil's work has been Heresy and Schism. We need Unity, and that unity can only be found by
obeying the Vicar of Christ.
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Posted Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:45 AM By John L. Sillasen
If there had been no serious problems with Catholicism in the 40s and 50s, then why was I not hearing Catholicism proclaimed? Why, when we got a transfer student from a Canadian Catholic school system, did he refuse to tell us what Catholicism is. Then later in college at a Univ of Calif campus, I ran into students who actually said they were Catholic. Many had come from Catholic schools. Still none of them put forth anything Catholic in words. At best the virtuous ones simply recused themselves from unvirtuous situations ... thus, still I was unable to find out what Catholicism was all about. The unvirtuous Catholics who ran rampant would not say either ... but it was "eat, drink and make merry for tomorrow we shall die" motto and lifestyle. How was it that Catholicism was a non-verbal religion in those days? As I've said before, Jesus tells us, "Man lives not by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God". The Church of that era was wordless, largely a "cultural church", which went along with all manner of worldly things ... it's that era that the pedophiles and homosexual clergy sprang from. The Vatican II era has put a lot of language into the society ... the Eucharist is still available, but with words ... no matter how vague the words might be, there are good words occasionally, whereas before there was only silence. Of course I'm polarizing the situation a bit, but still there is credence in what I'm saying. It took the wild and crazy Jesus Freaks with their in your face witnessing to get the Word of God into the stream of public consciousness ... many of those young characters were raised Catholic, and had axes to grind for all the abuse they were brought up with by anti-faithful clergy and nunnery. We are seeing the fallout now. The honest and faithful Catholics are finding unity among themselves, as the light of Christ is exposing the frauds and go-along-to-get-alongs. The harvest is being winnowed.
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Posted Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:31 PM By hollingsworth
Angelo: " I see that Rome will have no choice, but to excommunicate these schismatic followers. For the sake of the pure preservation of the Gregorian Rite of the Mass. The sooner the better."
I hope he does excommunicate us. I think you mean extend the already existing excommunication to include all SSPX priests and those faithful who assist at SSPX Masses, don't you? I, for one, say, Get it on! Let the Holy Father draw a distinct line in the sand. I invite such a move. Let's get some absolute clarification from the mouth of the Pope himself.
Angelo: "The SSPX rejects Vatican ll. They especially reject Religous Liberty."
Yes, at this point in the game, I would say that is true.
Angelo: "V2 confirmed the fact that anyone who dies outside of the Church, has no salvation, even if he should shed his blood for Christ."
Oh, really?
Angelo: "But the truth remains the truth. Scripture says, "Those of you who think you stand firm, take heed lest you fall." "
I think, Angelo, you are persuaded that you who remain in the V2 church have the "truth" on your side. You're sounding a bit like a fanatic.
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Posted Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:03 PM By Angelo
Hollinsworth, I am a fanatic! And one for Christ and his church. And I beg Our Lord to increase my fanatitism, for
his greater Glory and Honor! If I obey the Vicar of Christ,
then I have the truth, If I judge and condemn the Holy Father
then my mouth is filled with lies, and I become a child of satan. I am a Traditionalist, and I hold fast to the 2000 year
tradition of the Church, of obeying the Vicar of Christ. Please Pray for me that I may be faithful to the end. We hold our souls in a fragile vase, lets take heed lest we shatter it. "VIVA IL PAPA"
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Posted Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:17 PM By John L. Sillasen
Interesting to consider the individual beliefs among the SSPX people, as to whether they are excommunicated, in schism or tied to Rome. The arbiter is the Pope, not the private interpretations, whether in one camp or the other. So, what is the Pope's position on this, and what does he mean when he uses words such as excommunication and schism? Are there various ways these words are used, depending on context of the situation?
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Posted Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:33 AM By Fr. M.P.
John LS, see my post of July 8 under the topic "Talking intensely, arguing, discussing, persuading" for the answer to your SSPX question.
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Posted Wednesday, July 09, 2008 6:15 AM By hollingsworth
J.L. Sillasen: "So, what is the Pope's position on this, and what does he mean when he uses words such as excommunication and schism?"
That's the problem, isn't it? The present Pope does not use those words in reference to SSPX, unless someone can dig up a statement or two from him. John Paul used them only one time, viz. in his 1988 Apostolic Letter. Again, someone may be able to ferret out a statement or two subsequent to that date, but I don't recall any. It's frenetic layfolk like Angelo who repeat the words over and over again, not the Pope or the church's hierarchy.
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Posted Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:59 AM By Angelo
Heretics and schismatics are not a secret. One only needs
to read the old catechism. The Church defines who is a Heretic and who is a schismatic. Also the code of canon law
states the churches punishment for these evils. Your right
it is not to be private interpretation. We have to go by the teachings of the Catholic Church and not our own. We should be one in Mind, Body, Heart and Soul with the Church Christ founded.
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Posted Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:11 AM By hollingsworth
"We should be one in Mind, Body, Heart and Soul with the Church Christ founded."
The "Mind" of the church today includes such things as our acceptance of the notion that Christ's Church "subsists" in the Catholic Church. The Jews are on their own "salvific path" to salvation. The Church has much to learn from other "communities of faith" and even from non-Christian religions. It's not a "Mind" I care to be one with in a number of respects. Sorry.
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Posted Wednesday, July 09, 2008 2:21 PM By Angelo
hollinsworth, So, according to you the gates of hell have prvevaled against the Church.. That makes Christ a liar.
I thought you were a schismatic. But I see you border on
apostacy.
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Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:11 AM By hollingsworth
Angelo: "But I see you border on apostacy."
And I see that you are incapable of dealing with the situation in other than the language of meaningless labels and epithets.
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Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:33 PM By Angelo
When I quote the Holy Father and his Magisterium, It is
not meaningless. The Vicar of Christ is the voice of God on earth. Those who oppose the voice of God on earth, are
empty gongs and clanging cymbals. And nothing more!
You cause me to be glad to be a Traditionalist in union with the Holy Father. Thank You!!!
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Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:04 PM By percy
When heretics occupy the places of authority, heresy becomes the law and orthodoxy becomes heresy. This legalization of heresy does not debilitate the Catholic faithful, but rather places a heavy burden upon them to bear witness to the wickedness of the law and to its logical consequence--the non-authority of the apparent authority.
This is where we now find ourselves.
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Posted Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:42 AM By valentin rozario
My Parish priest fr.william brown continue to stop me to receive communion by kneeling in Our Lady of Mercy Elmwood Daly City, California 94015, USA. (650) 7552727. Why my parish not recognize the holy father give a perfect example giving communion by kneeling in world youth day in australia. It is true that the norm in the vatican and the norm in california diocese is different in giving communion by kneeling and on the tongue. Please to send this e-mail to liturgist Mons. Guigo Marini my saddest experience to my my parish priest thanx and God belss.
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Posted Saturday, October 04, 2008 3:52 PM By Grisha
I also would like this clarified. In many Catholic church's in Russia and the rest of the former Soviet Union, it is the custom for everyone to kneel to receive communion. Is it a rule that everyone follows local custom (I do in Russia) or is it at the discretion of the local ordinary or the celebrant?
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