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Published: March 15, 2007
Bongos, Dancers, and Father-Mother God
Richard Rohr’s Mass at the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress
At the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress on Saturday evening, March 3, Franciscan Father Richard Rohr celebrated a “general liturgy” in a ballroom at the Anaheim Convention Center. Father Rohr is a founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation in Albuquerque, New Mexico and a Congress presenter.
The processional hymn was “Christ Be Our Light,” accompanied by bongo drums. Liturgical dancers carried large, flowing banners down each of the aisles in the ballroom. Reaching the front of the ballroom, the dancers stood along either side of the podium, twirling the giant banners.
 Rohr, making no sign of the cross as he began the liturgy, said to the assembly, “as a fellow member of the Body of Christ, I thank you for allowing me to speak in your name. The Eucharist is always set in the form of a dialogue. First of all, I recognize the presence in you, and you return the compliment, and then the body is born.”
Following the readings, Rohr, commenting on the Gospel where Jesus urges His disciples to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them, talked about the forgiveness shown by the Amish community following the October murders of five young schoolgirls and our inability to extend similar forgiveness without God’s help.
While the intercessions were read, several people, standing on each aisle of the ballroom, were making choreographed hand movements. Several audience members joined in mimicking the movements.
The offertory procession began with two women waving banners, followed by two liturgical dancers, carrying a white tablecloth, sashaying up to the podium where Rohr sat waiting. They were followed by others who carried the hosts in large wicker breadbaskets and the wine in glass and plastic pitchers.
Rohr prayed over the gifts, “...make sure this people is hungry and ready to eat. Make sure we are not so filled with ourselves that there is not room for another person within us. Loving God, make sure this people is very hungry.”
Rohr changed some of the prayers of the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Opening the preface, he prayed, “Father and Mother God....” Before the consecration of the host, he said, “before he was given up to death, a death he said ‘Yes’ to....” And before the consecration of the wine, Rohr prayed, “when supper was ended, he gave you thanks and praise, gave the cup to his beloved....” Following the consecration, Rohr said the Christ's bloood “will be poured out for you, and for all, so you will know your sins are forgiven.” In praying for the departed, he referred to them as “especially your own beloved who are already with the Lord.”
Rohr prefaced the Our Father, by saying, “and now, knowing we are more one than we are many, though we come from different places and races, we all share the same Father-Mother God. We call upon our God, together, in the words that Jesus gave us: Our Father, Who art in Heaven...”
Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:23 AM By FireBurns
The Greco Institute for adult education and the diocesan directress of liturgy and catechetics in the diocese of Shreveport, LA, need to see this. Maybe then they will stop using Richard Rohr's materials for their classes and stop using the LA Congress's list of presenters as their own potential speakers invitation list. Only wishful thinking, I'm sure. They think they "know better" and can preach their own "different gospel" (Gal 1:7). This is the legacy left by their now retired bishop and his remaining appointees. However, "Fire burns and when it rains the earth gets wet" -- there are consequences!
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 6:42 AM By Terry Carlino
It appears to me that Father Rohr needs to read in detail the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Redemptionis Sacramentum and the Holy Father's latest Exhortation SACRAMENTUM CARITATIS. I'll be praying for him.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:19 AM By Brian S.
Bongos! How with it can you get!! Was Maynard G. Krebs in attendance?
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:25 AM By Ferde Rombola
Someone ought to write Cardinal Arinze a long letter immediately, signed by the witnesses.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:30 AM By Andrew
Just by reading the article, I can guess that Fr. Rohr was not celebrating the Holy Eucharist of the Roman Catholic Church. He was conducting his own version of whatsoverer "liturgy" he is subscribing. Maybe he should cease and desist in calling himself a Catholic and Franciscan priest. Celebration or lturgies of this kind has no place in the church. The CDF must investigate this kind of heretic actions.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:45 AM By Frank Munoz
Our Lord, Jesus the Christ, the Son of God, the Son of Man, called our Creator, Father. If there's anyone who knows what to call our Creator, it's Jesus, our Savior.
How dare, Father Richard Rohr, say he knows more then our Lord, the Son of God.
Thank you.
God bless you.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:31 AM By Kevin
Outrageous. There should be an Order of Liturgical policemen sent out to control this sort of abuse. I think at one time, there was something such. Who were they? Oh, yes, the Dominicans.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:06 AM By Margie
Good argument to return to the Latin Mass.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:30 PM By Ann cinquina
Father Rohr is protesting the True Catholic Church by allowing these performances to desecrate the Eucharist. He should take is act to Las Vegas and leave the priesthood immediately.
Ann Cinquina
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:40 PM By papamac
Why does this happen. Was this in Roger Mahoneys back yard. The USCCB tolerates him, Rome tolerates him, he in turn flaunts our Catholic teachings and obivously by this heathen display others just carry it one step further. Yes, witnesses should ONCE AGAIN send Rome their protests, hopefully, soon our cries will not fall on deaf ears. PRAY FOR THESE WAYWARD SOULS
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:23 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
I remind you that Rohr was actually reprimanded (slapped on the wrist) for taking part in a heretical joining together of two practicing Lesbians! Even his very liberal Archbishop had to at least take that action.
You can actually see some of these abominations at our Website: crcoa.com.
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:11 PM By Fr. J
If he did this in my diocese he would be in the bishops office the next day and might not be a priest when he came out. The silliness needs to end. Just do the red and say the black, at least then you would be sure that the Mass would be valid
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:01 PM By Jim Moriarty
This freak show by "fr." Rohr is exactly why I left the Novus Ordo "Mess" 10 years ago and retrurned to the Traditional Latin Mass at my SSPX Chapel in Detroit.
Don't waste your time writing anybody. Leave the heresy and let it collapse upon itself. If you can't see that this is NOT Catholic, then there is no hope for you. Liberlism/Modernism rules the Church since Vatican II and is condemned by about 12 Papal Encyclicals of the last 200 years.
We have been warned by previous Popes, especially Pius X in Pascendi. Read them and follow their advice. We are witnesses to the modern day equal to the Arian heresy of 400 A.D. Cardinal Mahony is the modern day equal to Arius. I'll bet this never makes it to your newspaper.
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Posted Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:15 PM By Patrick
And Fr J, which of the possible handful (at best) of bishops would you be referring to, for it would be a most rare action to be taken by ANY hierarchical member!
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 3:20 AM By Fr. G
As a fellow Franciscan, I am appalled at the behavior of friars like Brother Richard Rohr. Francis commanded that we be obedient to Pope Honorius and all his successors canonically elected. Wait! I get it now! Brother Richard is really a Sede Vacantist!
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 9:16 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Mr. Moriarty,
Since you say you attend a Pius X Society chapel, I wondered if it bothered you that Piux X priests hear confessions and witness marriages when they have no faculties to do so?
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 10:06 AM By Larry
AHH The fruits of Vatican 11
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 1:18 PM By Jake
I wonder if the early Christians had red to follow and black to say. I suspect that they made a lot up as they went along. I think I would have enjoyed Fr. Rohr's liturgy and been very inspired.
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 3:48 PM By Katie
Jake: Actually, when looking at the historical record, we find that the early Christians stuck very closely to the accepted ritual.
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 5:01 PM By A.S.
As a young adult Catholic, I am appalled and disgusted by this. It's enough to make you want to vomit. Thank goodness he is not my diocese and teaching this to the youth and college age Catholics.
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 6:24 PM By Fr. J
Jake,
We actually have some of the texts they used. In fact the Roman Canon goes back to the 4th century. I don't remember any referring to a mother god. They would not have enjoyed that and would have excommunicated the offending priest. Oh and back then penances were very very severe. Fr. Rohr would have spent many years in the order of penitents. Now there is something we might consider bringing back.
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 7:43 PM By Dan
The Holy Mass led by celebrant Fr. Richard Rohr sounds wonderful. Certainly it is a step in the right direction. Thank goodness for the documents Sacrosanctum Concilium and Dignitatis Humanae of Vatican II
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 7:54 PM By gravey
Who wrote this article? Has anyone corroborated the information? Otherwise...
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Posted Friday, March 16, 2007 7:59 PM By michiganlady
Jake,
You obviously don't know much history. They would have thrown Fr. Rohr out for entertaining dancing girls and calling God Mommie.
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Posted Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:26 AM By Ygnacia
"Loving God, make sure this people is very hungry.”
I'm hungry alright, hungry for a real Catholic Mass...and my now former Bishop (thank you Lord) had this man's articles in the Diocene newspaper every month, a newspaper that supposedly was to 'evangelize'. Evangelize to what religion???
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Posted Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:24 AM By Fr. Gregori
This is a perfect example of why no True Orthodox, which I happen to be, would ever seriously consider reuniting with Rome.
"Fr." Rohr's display goes well beyond being offensive. Can you say sacreligious?
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Posted Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:36 PM By Julie
I don't think the disdain for Vatican II or the Novus Ordo is called for here.
I DO think that this priest should be hauled in by his earlobes and called down on the carpet for such a display. Will that happen? Probably not.
But it is not legitimate to attack the Holy Catholic Church as a whole as this is the exception, not the rule. Even if this were being celebrated as a Tridentine Mass, these jokers would make up their own stuff. The only difference being that we wouldn't know that they're making up stuff.
So let's keep to the topic at hand which is the debauchery and blasphemy of this "mass" (I refuse to capitalize the word in relation to this travesty).
What I find really ironic is that St. Pius X was the FIRST to start speaking for reform 150 years prior to the 2nd Vatican Council. Look what he started. Now we have a bunch of brothers and sisters who didn't get the memo and they left the Church entirely and now brand the Novus Ordo Mass across the board as similar to the tragedy described.
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Posted Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:35 PM By Dan
What a scandal! Jesus referred to God as "Abba". Roughly translated, it means "daddy"!
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Posted Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:23 PM By Bill
The early church was wonderful with diversity. In the Eucharist which Rohr conducted, there was lively participation, people were involved and the gospel was proclaimed, What a shame that we get all out of sorts because someone expresses their love for God differently than us.
We have a big tent. Love, mercy and understanding is the message of Jesus, not Constantinian domination.
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Posted Monday, March 19, 2007 2:26 PM By Fr. J
Bill,
You haven't read the Fathers. There would have been no room in the tent for Fr. Rohr. The message of Jesus is contained in the Mass. If you alter the Mass you alter the message. We get the Rohr message instead. Rohr is the one doing the "domination". He imposes his will on everyone else in a personal way. We need Jesus not Rohr. If he doesn't like how the Catholic Church expresses its love in our Mass then Fr. Rohr can go elsewhere.
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Posted Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:03 PM By Jean Charles
Richard Rohr has been preaching heresies since 1970 (his ordination year). I was apalled when I discovered one of his books in the then "Lay Ministry " program in Vermont. He is sopported in this by catholic Colleges and some bishops. What has the Vatican done? Nothing. Whe I blew the whistle , I got expelled from the so called Lay Ministry program.This will continue until the faithful starts a revolution...
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Posted Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:02 AM By Fr. F
Obviously Fr. Rohr is no longer Catholic. He has placed himself ouside of the fold by blatent disobedience. Also, the Archbishop - Cardinal of LA knows what is happening and if he does not get rebuked by the CDF, he will by the Lord Jesus Christ!
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Posted Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:02 PM By Allyson Smith
To view video clips of Richard Rohr's "liturgy," visit http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2007/03/mahonyfest_2007_2.html.
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Posted Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:29 PM By Henry
I am a practicing Catholic and have raised my children that way. I have been active in Renew, Marriage Encounter, Cursillo, Just Faith (Catholic Social Justice), and various parish ministries. Having heard Richard Rohr, among others, in the "Crisis of Faith Series," I want to tell you that my faith has taken a huge leap in maturity. I wish I could have participated in this Mass.
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Posted Monday, April 23, 2007 6:48 AM By Lissette
He was here in Rochester New York A huge Mess!
Sad! Speaking to us Ministers and promoting his New Age Church. Yet, the Holy Spirit, I trust! He is working!
Jesus said, our Church will prevail. They would love to get rid of our Traditions, Mass, Adoration, Hierarchy, Authority but God is in charge. He will allow but so much! His will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. We are called to be and seek holliness and they laugh at us faithful flock of God.
I don't even believe our Bishop knew or was aware of all this.
This is sad. The faithful should stand together instead of being divided as they are. This group and that group, I am holy and Orthodox. Well, where has this taken us?
There is death all over us, our Catholic Schools closed, our Catholic Churches being sold, kneelers taken out, we have to worship in no freedom. Our Bishop desires reconciliation and he is blamed for everything and yet, it sounds like the people are the reason for much of this mess. Division is not of God and it does not work. They are spreading, don't go to this Church or that Church but, fdon't go to our Cathedral and yet, the Bishop allowed Adoration, Benediction and Procession, event the Eucharisitc Miracles of the world from the Vatican, people failing to realize and I must say they are the blind faithful, that fail in beliveing that "Jesus is in all the Tabernacles of the world. He is the High Priest at all the "Table of Sacrifice". So, see, gossip that seprartes and stops God's work and open the many open doors for great opportunities to worship God in Spirit & Truth!.
Father Rohr desires to get rid of our old Church Traditions and Rituals, Hierarchy, Authority etc. Sad! He is going around with his workshops. The evil one is so tiny, compare to our Almighty God!
We must embace our Mother Church, persecuted, beautiful, militant and suffering Mother Church, Triumphant!!!!
Lissette / Rochester
In Spirit and Truth
In St. Dominic & St. Catherine Of Siena
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Posted Saturday, May 05, 2007 8:20 AM By Johannim
As a resident of Southern California in the fiefdom of tod brown and roger mahoney, abuses mentioned above are the norm in both these diocese & archdiocese. tod brown had no qualms in the past in humiliating a faithful Catholic women who wished to kneel to recieve her G-D by yelling at her and pulling her to her feet physically. mahoney is up to his cossack in hideing pedophile predator priests in his long and revisionist career as chief poobah & potentate of Los Angelar and a history of pedophile protecting going back to his days as bishop of Stockton California. It seems Rome (the Vatican) WILL NOT do anything about these heterodox prelates but if the Attorney General of California has his way the laws of California will take care of men like mahoney where the Vatican refuses to do so.
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Posted Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:20 AM By Matthew Fradd
To me the beauty of the Mass is that it doesn't need new words or actions, as if by doing so would increase it's meaning and relevancy. The Mass is a ritual. Having said that I have read many comments of this page which have sounded to me to be very hateful. Let us pray we do not justify our hate and pride in the name of Yahweh who is love and loves you and I and Richard despite ourselves and our best attempts to remain unloveable
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Posted Monday, May 14, 2007 12:57 PM By Rod Harwood
Jesus got the same sort of criticism from the religious. "Your not doing it right way." The real test should be does what is taught bring life or death. Does it focus on nuturing a relationship with the Living Christ or just making sure we are following the rules. We men get confussed when our spouses are upset with us. We think we are sucessfully following all the rules of having a good respectible, Christian Marriage. Yet we forget to actually pursue loving our wives. We can be successful in maintaining the instituation of marriage, but not be in love. I believe Richard Rohr is trying to help us recognize the need to fall in love again.
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Posted Friday, June 01, 2007 2:21 AM By Maryann
I used to teach catechism back in the 60's just as all the new changes were coming into the Church. Goodbye to the old Baltimore Catechism!! Oh wow! It was exciting! We had lots more kids being enrolled in the new classes. Kids were having fun making banners and singing along in the guitar Mass....Kumba ya. At first it seemed that there was a resurgence of the faith, but then it ran out of gas and the kids didn't learn their prayers, never mind the traditions and real teachings of the Church. It was Godspell without God.
It was too much of a hippie mentality that burned out fast
and the flock was lost in the end. Only the kids whose families were firmly rooted in the faith and "forced" them to learn what it is to be Catholic remained. Not that all the kids who were forced to learn and attend Mass remained in the Church once they were on their own, but more of them came back because they had the deeper roots in the faith.
We don't need bongos and ballads. We need the fullness of the faith. There's nothing more beautiful than a Mass that is celebrated in its most sacred and correct form, whether it is in Latin or in the vernacular. That is what truly feeds my soul.
I'm blessed to be in a parish with a very pious and devote pastor. He has been bringing back some of the forgotten practices and devotions. He got rid of the crystal chalices and brought out the gold ones. The music is Catholic and traditional. He even brought back the chimes and we can hear them proclaiming the presence of our Lord at the Consecration. In the 2 years he has been here he has had his battles with the new agers and those who don't like the changes he's made to our parish. Some have threatened to go to other parishes, but we have more people coming to our parish, so if they leave, well, someone else will be sitting in their pew. God bless priests like my pastor!
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Posted Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:26 PM By Richard Raw
Dualistic thinking –stinking thinking – divides everything into categories and labels. Liberal and conservative, gay and straight, Catholic and non-Catholic. To show you just how hard it is for us to move away from this kind of thinking, I am going to label and divide people into those who have been transformed and those who have yet to do so.
Allow me to enlighten you. Those who have been transformed, whatever their creed or culture, see with “the third eye”. I refer here to the wisdom that comes from union with God in contemplation. In Him we live and move and breathe. Think of the term used by the Jewish Scriptures for the spirit of Yahweh: Ruah – breath. And when you say the divine name “Yahweh” itself, you don’t close your mouth on a sound, you just inhale and exhale. From our first breath outside the womb until our last gulp of air – we are in tune with the God who is gifted to us. We, however, are broken earthenware containers who limit that gift with our dualistic thinking and polemic about rightness and wrongness, about principles and non-contradiction. “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord your God in vain!” And yet we think that we can control God by naming Him and putting labels on Him. Dualistic thinking! The third eye is not preoccupied with which container is right or wrong. My god is God but your god is not. I am pure but you are not. Let things be. There is no place here for the ego-centric affirmation that my container of divinely revealed truths is better than your container of favourite scriptural expressions. I mean, that would be like me saying that your spirituality is infantile and my spirituality is adult, or that your dualistic thinking is lower and my third eye contemplation higher! Actually, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying but it would be wrong of you to criticise me for doing so.
You see, people accuse me of all manner of things that I didn’t say. Instead of seeing things the way they are, they see things the way they are. Those who are into competitive thinking will react violently with polemic. They treat me with sarcasm and say that Heidegger got as much mysticism out of Meister Eckhart as I do. If I am deliberately amb
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Posted Monday, June 18, 2007 1:32 PM By Annika
Fr. Richard Rohr is a very poor excuse for a Catholic priest, but a very good example of a New Age Theosophist whose real ideology stems from Joseph Campbell and Madame Blavatsky rather than the Scriptures or the Magesterium. He wants to "mythologize" and "syncretize" religion to find the lowest common denominator of belief which he calls unity of conscousness. He wants to "evolve" that concousness to a new planetary level to create a mass of energy linked to his Cosmic mother(goddess)-father/son(victim sacrifice) god. He needs the Catholic Church because he needs the audience. His mysticism is about this evolution. Its phoney. Authentic mysticism exists in the Sacraments, properly liturgized, according to the rubrics of the Church. If the Eucharist is not protected from the new age ideology of Rohr than the Church is harboring and abetting another Matthew Fox who at least had the civility to leave the priesthood and the Church after silencing by his community. What say you Fransiscans? Will you silence Rohr for a year as the Dominicans did Fox?
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Posted Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:26 PM By Mark
I have spent the past week listening to several of Fr. Rohr's retreats and talks on CDs. I would suggest that before one comments, condemns or supports Rohr that they read his material. Read in a positive light. Try looking for what is good instead of bad. If we all practiced the true Gospel Meaning of Jesus Christ these comments would not appear. The great hypocrisy of those of us who practice orthodox catholism is the that laws and tradition obscure true love and forgiveness. If you do not care for Fr. Rohrs beliefs avoid him. If you cannot find anything more productive in your lives than condeming people of any race, religion or way of life I sugguest you open the news paper tomorrow morning and find a true cause, poverty, illness, homeless, anything. If what he says is phoney then take what is good and leave the rest. At the age of 51 I have stopped judging and condemning what is different and new. I also have a brain and the ability to reason. I also look at our world and country and wonder if all the energy people spent trying to be right was used for the good of the whole things might be different. Say your novenas and feel good about yourself...there are people starving not far from your home, and Christ is not present to feed them, he is only present in each of us, for us to feed them. Close your mouth, open your heart, with an open heart only the good in all can be seen.
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Posted Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:31 AM By Suanne
Thank you, Mark for your comments posted 7/8/07. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I have read Richard Rohr's works and he has done more to open my heart to living the Gospel than any Baltimore Chatechism has.
We have to be careful that we don't become the whitewashed tombs that Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees - more focused on man-made laws and less focused on the love that Christ calls us to - first and foremost.
The tone of some of these other comments are very disturbing to me. They are not in keeping with Christ's call to LOVE.
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Posted Monday, July 16, 2007 11:59 AM By Rosa
Amen, Amen, I say to you. Richar Rohr is open to the spirit and the people he serves. Thank you, Father Rohr, you renew my hope in the future of "The Church". For another joyous liturgy, I highly recommend St. Malachy's in Philadelphia when Father John McNamee is celebrating the Mass. The African American hymnal is used, the richness is awesome, the senses come alive. Some of you may know Fr. McNamee from "Diary of a City Priest", book & movie. The women priests who have been ordained recently also give a new dimension of femininity to the liturgy. There is hope.
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Posted Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:59 AM By Mary
Fr. Rohr is the reason I am RETURNING to the Catholic church. He is blessed with true insight through comtemplation and prayer. It seems some of you have a, "That's the Catholic story and I am sticking to it," mentality where there is no room for growth. Evolution and change are God's will. Thank you Fr. Richard for including all of humanity in Christ's invitation to seek and be healed by faith and love.
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Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:23 AM By Cristina
Dear God our Father
Fahter of Mercy
Protect your Church from the deciever
Send us good shepherds. I ask You Through Jesus Christ our Lord, by the merits of His Passion.
And throug the intercession of our Blessed Mother Mary
Amen
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Posted Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:55 PM By Patty
I have been reading or listening to R. Rohr for over 25 years. I often wonder how he has escaped serious censure from his authorities. Yet this man has been the primary inspiration and guide for spiritual growth within the Body of Christ for thousands of believers, including myself. I hope that he will continue to proclaim a message of transformation and oneness. Whether inside or outside of the Church, his words are challenging and courageous.
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Posted Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:21 AM By tommy Gerlach
For me and I have become part of the WE through experience. I've died to self through choices I've made in life. Today through Gods Grace, I live one day at a time.
His will be done and may I live for Love . How can I judge others.? We love Fear cannot exist. Peace.
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Posted Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:26 PM By Peter Rohr
My brother has shown a nonconformist attitude from a very early age. He believes sincerely in what he is doing and gives so much to so many people!
Wamberal, April 2007 Peter Rohr
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Posted Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:52 PM By Anne
It sounds to me as if some of you have mixed up Alcoholics Anonymous and Al-Anon (for family and friends of problems drinkers) with the Catholic Church. They are not one and the same. It is sad that some cannot tell the difference. That was not always the case. Good Catholics used to be able to attend the other meetings withou confusiing them with the Church. Also, a lot of occultism has come into some of the meetings on alcoholism which was not the case in the past.
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Posted Monday, August 04, 2008 11:30 AM By Lana Green
I just happen to google this article.
Thank God for Richard Rohr. There is vital life within the Catholic Church. Christ Lives! His teaching awakens the Christ in me. God bless everyone. Lana Green
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Posted Monday, August 18, 2008 9:30 AM By cath
READ or LISTEN to Fr. Rohr's materials before deciding he is so heretical. As for this Catholic, if not for Fr. Rohr, I'd probably have left the church long ago. He has a great love for the church but is not afraid to open our minds and hearts. The church is not just Rome or USCCB, the church is the Body of Christ. It is you and me.
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Posted Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:01 PM By Jay
Why do we think Fr. Rohr is a heretic? Very simple; in the summer of 1996, he admitted it himself! In his talk "Meals of the Messiah" from the COME TO THE TABLE series, he openly states that he truly thinks that Jesus never intended to start a religion, and therefore that makes him a heretic. That's very serious stuff; denying the Bride of Christ. I'm no theologian, but that sounds more like apostasy to me. I've heard other talks, and to my knowledge, he's never repented from this comment. If Fr. Rohr can call himself a heretic, so can we. Peter, your brother may be sincere, but that doesn't necessarily make him honest. Hitler was very sincere. Honesty requires thoughtfulness, which is based on good philosophy. I've heard him say on his tapes that he can "out-orthodox anybody", but I doubt that. If given a written test, I believe he would flunk basic philosophy and theology.
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Posted Monday, January 05, 2009 7:24 PM By Momof3
In Cincinnati St. Anthony Messenger Press publishes Fr. Rohr's books and promotes other materials of his; has done this for decades. Everyone should boycott St. Anthony Messenger and not buy its magazine or other products. Crrazy how this publishing house can publish some orthodox materials mixed in with stuff written by heretics and New Age authors.
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Posted Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:29 AM By Emmaus pilgrim
Ever heard of the Shekinah? The Indweller is depicted on the left hand of the Creator of Adam on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican, supposedly the holiest place in Roman Catholicism. This was painted by Michelangelo 500 years ago. So whats the beef about a Father- Mother Divinity? The problem with the Roman Catholic liturgy and rituals is that it is almost purely Mithraic and Pagan. The ritual cannibalism of the "eucharist" is the eating of the body and blood of Mithras. There is no mention of such a barbaric custom in the Didache. Constantine and his tavern girl mother made a through makeover of the teachings of a Jewish Rabbi. The Theotokous is not the Shekinah. Eusebius the pet forger of Constantine made fifty copies of what is now the New Testament (Word of God no less) and limited the gospels to four because of the 4 Hayok beasts who carry the throne of God. Copies of the original Gospels were destroyed and "corrections" were made later on the copies made by Eusebius. If the prophecy of the first Irish saint comes true, the farce of the Roman Catholic papacy with its triple crown will end with Benedict XVI. Hope the records can be saved, I would like to read a copy of the Gospel of Mariamne e mara ( Mary the Leader) aka Mary Magdalene, Apostola Apostolurom and koinonus of Rabbi Yeshua ben Yusuf. A copy was taken when the genocidal saint Gringon de Monfort exterminated the Cathars.
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Posted Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:32 AM By Saundthorp
Emmaus pilgrim,
All you have demonstrated with your post is a dreadful ignorance of the history of the early Chruch. St. Paul believed in the Real Presence. In 1 Cor:11;27
"Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord...For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.
A drastic warning for mere bread and wine.
You also display total ignorance regarding Constantine and the Council of Nicaea. Apart from convening it, Constantine took no part in the proceedings, neither did he have anything to do with the development of the Bible. You are talking bigoted rubbish.
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Posted Friday, August 14, 2009 1:46 AM By Emmaus Pilgrim
Soundthorp, all you accomplish with your diatribe is a dreadful attempt to cover up what the the early church assholes did they made up a synthetic religion to satisfy Constantine.The "Council of Nicaea" was a gathering of 318 "bishops" more than 200 of whom were known as Fathers, the highest ranking worshippers of Mithras. The Gnostic contingent were next in number. Others were followers of "The Liar" Saul of Tarsus. With the assembly thus packed with his men, Constantine made Anahita Virgin Mother of Mithras the Theotoukos, While Mithras was a Son of God named Jesus Christ The Divinity was two men with one "Bird" A curious configuration, Not the Tetragrammaton who was worshipped in the Old Testament.The Gnostics fought bravely to preserve a part of the secret teachings and was able to insert in the Credo the phrase "visibilium omium et INVISIBILIUM Praise be!!! The Rabbi indeed walked this path and He is the Way, the Truth and the Life !! Dont talk dirty about the New Age Rabbi Yeshua taught it long time ago. Me, totally ignorant of early church history? Thank you so much arrogant Pavlovian dog If you do some research Eusebius also inserted in the work of Josephus,(Antiquities) the Jewish historian who lived exactly in the time of Rabbi Yeshua a paragraph which mentioned Jesus, but the phrasing is that of a Christian, when Josephus was a Jew!! This asshole said that lying is for the greater glory of God. As to non-apostle Paul a Jesuit priest stole from the Dead Sea Scrolls a scroll which implied that Saul of Tarsus was indeed a liar. Even your precious NT Acts of the Apostles has the Saviour BLINDING Saul for teaching a different Gospel. Paul (his Roman cognomen) accused other disciples of teaching a DIFFERENT Gospel when he was the one doing so.For this reason, I DO NOT believe a single word of the letters of Paul. As you appear to be well versed in the New Testament, Could you explain to this ignorant bigot why a married Rabbi would have a mal
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Posted Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:46 AM By Emmaus Pilgrim
St. Malachy made a prophecy in the middle ages and predicted an unbroken line of 111 popes, made a short phrase in Latin to describe each one. Somebody added a 112th (Petrus Romanus) but this is plainly an addition. A corroborating prophecy is the Mayan calendar, which ends two years from now. Hope this makes you happy Soundthorp are you ready for the Rapture?
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Posted Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:04 AM By Ski Ven
I am glad that the editor has allowed Emmaus to discredit himself.
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Posted Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:54 AM By JLS
Emmaus Pilgrim, sounds like you're on your way to the minaret for some daily worship.
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Posted Saturday, August 29, 2009 6:25 PM By Emmaus Pilgrim
Yes I thank the Editor for deleting some of my posts. He has good sense, for they would cause some to cry in their perfumed wine while pissing in their pants. I haven't even started on Pope Roderigo Borgia yet. I choose this forum BECAUSE California has some of the freest people in the planet.As penance may I suggest that you read the novel by Walter Miller Jr. "A Canticle for Leibowitz" ? For me, it is the high point of my life as a Catholic.
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Posted Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:10 PM By Emmaus Pilgrim
Soundthorp, the true Trinity is MAIDEN - MOTHER - WISE WOMAN a single entity separated only by time! She was worshiped from the earliest days of humanity,for she responded to prayers, while the Heavenly Father was ineffable.If America again knows the Mother, Trillions of dollars of "defense" spending will be saved. The "Son" in the present trinity is MITHRAS a god of war, worshiped by the Roman Legions.and to be worshiped by the Roman Empire on pain of death!!! Any comments Soundthorp?
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Posted Sunday, September 20, 2009 6:46 PM By Emmaus Pilgrim
Father Rohr you are on the right track, the Mother IS worshiped by Catholics even if not given the recognition as Goddess, although the fresco on the ceiling of the Sistine chapel attests to this. The apparition in Lipa (Phil) was not recognized by the church because the Lady said she was NOT the mother of Jesus. During the rain of roses ( found to belong to a species found in some parts of Russia!) the smell could be felt for kilometers around.The Power of the Mother was manifest in EDSA. and the world was witness to this.
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Posted Sunday, September 27, 2009 3:25 AM By Emmaus Pilgrim
This is for Ski Ven, JLS, and Saundthorp. I found on the Internet the Evangelium Barnabe ( Gospel of Barnabas) a "Memoir" of the companion of Saul of Tarsus. This was a reference work quoted from by Origenus Adamanthus anf other Church Fathers whom I respect. This Gospel was not only NOT included in the Four, in the 3rd century posses sion meant DEATH. The New Advent website has a copy, but read the other versions also to be fair. The Didache and this Gospel proves that the Holy Eucharist is a FALSE DOCTRINE.
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Posted Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:14 AM By eggman
Rohr IS coming to Las Vegas December 5. Sad state in our diocese here. We have one of those liberal bishops. There are a few orthodox priests who really don't have power to stop this travesty.
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Posted Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:14 PM By Emmaus Pilgrim
I have a nice advice to the Editor, please read the bestseller "The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.It is a well researched and scholarly work which clears up a lot of things. Rt Rved John Shelby Spong, Bishop of Newark has high praise for it. Dont read this Saundthorp, you might froth at the mouth!!!
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Posted Friday, February 26, 2010 5:17 PM By C
Shame on him. We NEED TO PRAY FOR THE PRIESTS WHO ARE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING and pray that they do not take us with him to perdition. May God have mercy on him and us all.
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