Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:45 AM By Ken Brookes
This is just one of the inevitable results of allowing the lunatics to define their own pathologies and then handing them the keys to the asylum.
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:19 AM By Bob M
"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer" ... RIGHT! Now there's a fine group to call on for defense of the Catholic Church and its beliefs. Gimme a break!
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:44 AM By Thomas
I am a homosexual male and a Roman Catholic living in San Francisco, be assured, I find this poster extremely offensive!!! Please do not place all homosexuals together with this SICK group of people, the majority of us are respectful of peoples belief!!!
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:30 AM By Lisa
As I sat here yesterday morning reading this article, tears were streaming down my face as my heart gasped, "Lord, I am so sorry. If there is anything that I did or didn't do, said or didn't say that has contributed to this in-your-face hatred of you, forgive me." Sinning isn't just doing wrong things. It is also not speaking up or doing the right / good thing when it is in our power to do so: Sins of omission and comission. Today, my heart is still heavy. I know God's Word and that these things are to happen as time ticks down. But I think many Christians tend to just go with the flow and let these things roll off their back, so to speak, unaffected. But we all are very much affected. We should never stop defending Truth and hurting at the disgace of God and outright slander of Jesus who shed His blood for each person. We are beyond last days speculations as we keep one eye on Israel and the other on the skies for our redemption draweth nigh. Marantha, Jesus!
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:39 AM By The other Mike
I hope they don't think they are being innovative, creative, and "on the edge" by doctoring a famous painting with perverts. It's more like "childish" and "boring" if you ask me. But what do you expect from people who can't get their minds out of the gutter?
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:35 AM By Papamac
They shut down streets for their satancic garbage, but they will not let the United States Marines film a recruiting video. They pass resolutions against Christians who recently gathered in their sewer city of filth. Good Christians send them a message that will quickly get their attention, BOYCOTT SAN FRANCISCO, GET THE MESSAGE OUT ON EVERY WEB SITE YOU VIEW. WE are not wanted in that City, the City board of supervisors informs us quite clearly we are not wanted, so,lets not go, then lets see what the Hotel and Restraunt operators will do at election time.GOD BLESS
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:59 AM By David
I wonder if they would have no problem with having Allah using a sex toy on Muhommad. You know bending him over on the table top, hey maybe even have Allah dressed up for a suicide bombing with a leather mask on(Like the Gimp from Pulp Fiction) I mean after all it is a big leather event right?
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:02 AM By Peter
I too consider this poster to be in poor taste.
However, consider this:
Until the church (Catholic/Christians) comes to realize and recognize that sexuality (homosexuality included) is an immutable human characteristic (determined at birth and fostered by environment), and frees itself from the teaching that since homosexuality doesn’t appear to be part of God’s plan for humanity, it (homosexuality) must therefore be the result of a personal choice – and an abominable one, at that - these groups will continue to hold the church in disdain.
Christian and Catholic teachings aside, the only truth about homosexuality is this: Either one chooses to accept the sexuality he/she was born with and is true to himself; or one chooses to reject the sexuality he/she was born with and lives a lie. Site all the references you want to the contrary, but ALL homosexuals – everywhere - know this basic truth about sexuality.
Indeed, it is the heterosexuals who keep insisting otherwise; and when party to the Catholic/Christian faith, all are required by religious doctrine to denounce the right of homosexuals to exist – or at least be “homosexual” – and in the name of God, at that.
Why is it so hard to understand, then, why so many homosexual groups reject your faith? It is not homosexual nature to hate and mock Christianity; it is the natural human response of those who are (wrongfully) targeted – and perhaps victimized by certain sects - by an institutionalized doctrine of prejudice, intolerance, and hate.
Call anyone an abomination in the eyes of God for something over which they have no control – race, gender, height, weight, etc. Don’t you think they’re entitled to be at least a little bit resentful?
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:04 AM By Omar
Oh Gawd, I'm catholic. everyone just needs to relax. This isn't a sin. This is a poster. I think God has more important things to worry about (like dying people in Africa and the Middle East) than this. People can be so sensative about the dumbest things.
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:12 AM By patti
As Jesus said only a few hours after His own Last Supper, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
Oh, this ad is so sad......
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 AM By WIlliam Brewster
How can Miller Brewing Company justify the marketing deciosion to back, support and endorse the type of depravity displayed in the Folsome Street Parade in SFO. Miller has placed your their atop some of the worst sleeze I have ever seen. I am ashamed to be a Miller Light Beer fan when I learn how your marketing whiz kids are spending the revuenues that I in part provide. I am an avid Miller light fan who will see the images of the blasphemous last supper when I reach for a case iof your beer. Unfortunaely, I know that it will redirect my attention to Coors Light, truely second to Miller Light but not a bad beer. Nothing less than a public and national apology will resolve this marketing gaf.
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:20 PM By Ann-Marie
Could you imagine if this depicted Muhammed, 'heads" would be rolling!!! Literally!!!! Our Blessed Mother weeps for her Son.
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:23 PM By Tom
and yet, many Catholics continue to vote Democrat...a party largely supportive of on-demand abortion , the ACLU, open boarders, and same-sex marriage? Wake up fellow Catholics...George Soros, and Move-0n.org. are running things now, not JFK!!!
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:28 PM By Justin M.
Speaking as another gay male and yes a Roman Catholic I to echo Thomas and say please do not think we all act and believe in this "filth" we all don't ride on floats in gay pride parades and we try to live a life like everyone else I "cringe" when garbage like this shows up because that's what straight society thinks we all do. Please pray for all in this site and the Holy Father Benedict the 16th!!! Deo Gratias!!!!
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:19 PM By KaraLynn
Peter;
I am a woman who lives with same-sex attraction. I can assure you that I was not born this way. I know how I got this way. I am not living a lie. I am completely honest with the inclinations I have, and CHOOSE to not act on them. I DO NOT identify myself as a lesbian or even bi-sexual. I am faithful to the teachings of my Catholic faith and practice chastity. My boyfriend knows about these inclinations and those I love know about them.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO scientific evidence that people are "born" homosexual. The FACT is that no one knows why these inclinations occur.
Radical homosexual activists hold up a double standard by DEMANDING acceptance and respect, and then go and pull a stunt like making this poster. Sorry, Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. The fruit I see is rotten.
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:43 PM By Messenger
This must be a joke! I've seen Broadway plays, off Broadway plays, parades for various events, bad movies, but never ever have I seen anything like this, yet somehow I'm not surprised. Please go to this web site http://www.cwfa.org/main.asp if you want to know what people are doing to stop the offensive and immoral garbage that only people who are very hateful can produce. This is no less than anti-Christian and it's a shame that homosexuals in S.F. have to come out of the closet like this, hurting themselves and their reputations. And why would anyone want to understand homosexuals if all of them are represented as anti-Christian like this? What do Christian homosexuals who don't live in S.F. and trying to create a pretty normal life for themselves think about this? Anyone? This is definitely, MOST DEFINITELY NOT a good statement for homosexual marriage. Monogamy... ring a bell? Ever hear of falling in love with the right one? Waiting for sex..."I'm worth the wait"? The joke is on homosexuality and homosexuals, nobody else. I know now what homosexuals want to do and that is, not get married. They now have completely lost my support for marriage related issues!
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:22 PM By Fr. J
Peter, that will never happen. You can't change divine law. People are born with many problems and that doesn't make the problem normal. Until homosexuals realize that they will never be happy by embracing mortal sin they will never be truly free. Lot's of people hate the Church because we don't agree with their pet sin. That does not surprise us.
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Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:07 PM By Tim
It is a dangerous trap to accept the argument that if a person feels that he or she was born with a particular tendancy or urge then it is ok and natural and must be accepted. The argument that nobody could possibly CHOOSE a particular lifestyle or activity because it is universally disapproved of and leads to unpleasent results or community backlash is not evidence that the person is "born that way". Consider the pedophile and the kleptomaniac. Both would claim to have always been that way, and both are made unhappy by society's reaction. Neither argument is a clue about whether the characteristic is genetic or immutable and hopefully nobody would argue that the Church and/or society should embrace either. People who celebrate and glorify these tendencies while attacking those opposed should not be shielded from criticism by being a "protected minority".
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 7:00 AM By Grisha
We Christians need to back off from our obsession with homosexuality. Those gay people who feel they have been driven away from thier faith need to calm down as well.
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 7:10 AM By Peter
“You can't change divine law. People are born with many problems and that doesn't make the problem normal. Until homosexuals realize that they will never be happy by embracing mortal sin they will never be truly free. “
And I would agree with you 100%, Fr. J., if I felt for a minute that homosexuality was not normal. Sexuality is normal; all humans are by nature sexual beings. It is surprising to me that what is toted as “divine law” would exhibit such blatant contempt for the human being; the human condition. True, Christiantiy/Catholicism teaches that apostasy begins when human reason is elevated above God’s word. But to think that human reason and experience should be discounted by God’s word undermines the intent – presumably – of God having put us here in the first place – to experience “being human. I don’t think anyone would argue that that wasn’t at least part of the reason Christ was born and died a “human” – to experience it first hand.
Christ accepted who he was as a human, and he embraced his destiny. Why should the “average” human be expected to do anything less? If all that is “human” is good; that which is an innately human trait cannot be sinful. Regardless of the origins of sexual predisposition, homosexuals are happy because they embrace their sexuality as part of who they are; just as heterosexuals are happy because they embrace their sexuality as part of who they are.
People don't hate the Church because it doesn't agree with their "pet sin"; they hate the church because it would presume to single out something unique and immutable and call it a sin.
Call a woman sinful because she is a woman; or call a black man sinful becuase he is black. See where that gets you . . . but then again, I think the church has been there already.
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 11:38 AM By WB
Call a polygamist sinful because he is a polygamist even though it's perfectly "natural".
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 12:00 PM By Paul Lopez
Justin M. and Thomas. Thanks for sharing your views. It is comforting to know that there really are faithful Catholics out there living their faith as best possible. Thanks also for defending truth and for the wise advise Justin for us all praying for one another. I admire your courage and I will definitely pray for you both. God Bless CalCatholic.com and all it's readers and supporters.
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 1:30 PM By Peter
WB: The parallel you are attempting to draw between polygamy and homosexuality is incorrect. Polygamy is not sexuality. A polygamist can be homo or hetero; same as a monogamist.
I personally see virture in monagomy . . . even though the Bible condones polygamy.
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 2:37 PM By WB
A gay person can be homo or hetero also. They're called "bisexual". Therefore, being gay is not sexuality, nor is it different than any other sex desire on that basis. In fact, that's really what it is -- a sex desire.
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 6:45 PM By bruce
Mocking God is never a small matter, and while God is patient, He will clean up the mess eventually. San Francisco will get equal or better clean up than Sodom and Gomorrah. And where are those two latter cities today?
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 8:47 AM By Donna
The Bible is chock full of stories telling what happens to people who mock God (like these freaks and that "comedian" Kathy Griffin). It's just a matter of time. But keep praying for them! By the grace of God, they may have a conversion/change of heart and may end up on the Winners side when it's all said and done.
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 1:34 PM By Greg
Why be so obsessed with us gay people? Find something else to do. "Chritianity" has been fighting against gay people for centuries and we are still here and we aill always be.
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 2:03 PM By Greg
To sponsor a constitutional amendment against gays is a bit more offensive I think.
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:29 PM By Greg
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ...
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:46 PM By Greg
The US Constitution should be amended to outlaw all Catholics.. is turnabout fair play?
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:09 PM By Greg
San Francisco is the ONLY city in the United States where everyone now can have health insurance. It is one of the few in the US where gays people are FULLY integrated in the Police Department, Fire Department and all city departments. It is one of the few that care humanely for the homeless, that is why so many go there. It is one of a few American cities that are world class cities. Not everyone shares the Catholic view of sexuality. So if you dont like San Francisco, don't go. I am sure you won't be missed.
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:38 PM By Greg
The catholic church took the culture and land from Native Americans and in return gave them the bible. The catholic church covered up child abusing priests. Even the Pope himself could follow the church teachings when he apparently requested to be euthanized. The catholic church was responsible for the Inquisition and you are offended by a little poster?
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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:57 PM By Paul Lopez
Greg, take it easy. I can guarantee one thing that is certain. A true Catholic, like those of us trying to live our faith the best we can in these difficult times and from the individuals that contribute to these posts, would tell you that they sincerely love you and all other homosexuals, and pray that Our Lord will grant them the grace to see the truth and hopefully granted the gift of conversion. It is the sin that we abhor. Much like we, and I would hope you as well, are opposed to infidelity, blaspheming God, missing Mass, abortion, birth control, exploiting the poor, the unfair distribution of wealth, robbing the worker of just wages, etc. We are not "obsessed with gay people" and it's not that Christianity has been fighting for centuries with you. We have an obligation, given by Our Lord and the Church, to stand up for truth and pray for the conversion of sinners, myself included. It's that simple. Love and Mercy overcomes all. That's why Jesus Christ, True Man and True God, died on the cross for us.
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Posted Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:48 AM By Grisha
I believe it would be useful to have a discussion on why the self-styled "orthodox" Catholics are so focused on homosexuality. It seems that about a third of the news articles here, and in your advertiser, the New Oxford Review are about gay issues. The teaching of the Church on human sexuality are clear. Genital activity should only occur between a husband and wife and be open to the transmission of life. I suspect that the vast majority of the laity, including Church ministers don't meet that standard. Why all the, ...I will ask it again ... fear mongering and hysteria? Bear in mind that there is considerable violence against homosexuals in this society. I think we need to look into our hearts and ask weather this obsession, despite good intentions, supports an atmosphere that ultimately led to the murder of Mathew Sheppard and more recently Satendar Singh in Sacramento.
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Posted Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:56 PM By Greg
It is out of fear that many of you too might be gay that creates intolerance. Look at yourselves before you start ranting about everyone else. There are many examples; Larry Craig being the most recent. The example of Larry Craig should tell you something.
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Posted Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:22 PM By Greg
Hypocrisy .... it just keeps popping up, scandal after scandal, homophobic lawmaker after anti-gay preacher after gay marriage attacker after hooker-loving "family values" adulterer, Bob Allen to Ted Haggard to Jim West to Glenn Murphy Jr. to David "Diaperman" Vitter, so many examples of a militant loudmouthed Christian Republican suddenly caught with his pants down around his boyfriend's ankles that, after so many headlines, the notion that these cases might be rare or exceptional simply vanishes and you are left only with the undeniable fact that, oh my God, the American right is simply teeming with so much murky, pressure-cooked homoeroticism it might as well be a Young Republicans kegger at Mark Foley's pink Miami Beach condo.
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Posted Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:37 PM By James Hartline
I am looking at two issues related to making a stand against Miller Brewing Company for their disgraceful attacks on the Last Supper via the Folsom Street Degradation. The first is the fact that MIller Brewing is now owned by South Africa. It is appalling that so many Christians supported the end of apartheid just to see that county own a company that is degrading our Lord and the Last Supper. It is important to note that Miller Brewing is one of the biggest bottlers for Coca Cola. Since most relgious folks do not drink beer, they may drink Coca Cola. This is where we can really boycott this filthy company: anything from Coca Cola and South Africa.
You can let me know if you have an ideas on this matter by emailing me at:
jameshartline@jameshartline.com and we will try to put those ideas into the form of a boycott.
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Posted Monday, October 01, 2007 3:33 AM By Keith W.
Greg, you have the talking points of the "far left" wakos' take it easy man!! I'am gay and a traditional Roman Catholic yes, we do exist believe it or not, I live my life the best I can and I don't have to broadcast my sexual preferance to anyone, if one ask's I will tell them they either like me or don't like me. Having said that, no one in this site is calling for the killing of gays on the contrary it's about insulting Our Lord Jesus Christ!!! Pax Vobiscum Greg!!
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Posted Monday, October 01, 2007 6:49 AM By Peter
Yes, WB. I agree with you. You are getting it.
"A gay person can be homo or hetero also. They're called "bisexual". Therefore, being gay is not sexuality, nor is it different than any other sex desire on that basis. In fact, that's really what it is -- a sex desire. "
Sexual desire is sexuality. A person's sexual desires define his/her sexuality. Sexuality is innate. Sexual desire and sexuality are directly linked.
(However, just one correction, by definition a gay person cannot be both hetero and homo; but otherwise you are correct, a bi-sexual is attracted sexually to both genders.
Polygamy - typically - is wanting more than one partner (wife); so the paradigm is about numbers, not sexual attraction.
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Posted Monday, October 01, 2007 8:24 AM By ken barth
wow! i am not a biblical historian nor do i claim to know much about it, but seeing the last supper portrayed like that and considering that s.f. sits in earthquakeville,if there is any good people living there,i hope they consider moving.
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Posted Monday, October 01, 2007 3:04 PM By Grisha
Bruce and Ken Barth:
Please join me at 10:30 mass at St. Monica's at 23rd and Geary any Sunday.. It will give you a chance to meet several hundred good people who live here.
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Posted Monday, October 01, 2007 6:56 PM By Greg
Keith ... I think you are not understanding of the issues.
First, the picture from the St. Fair is not insulting Christ. Christ is more than a simple picture. The poster may be insulting the Catholic Church, which deserves criticism for its bigoted and uneducated positions regarding gays, birth control and the infallibility of the pope to name just a few. The pope has the audacity to hang out in his palace with all his servants making proclamations about topics which he knows nothing about. The guy is a sham. I have more respect for the professors and doctors I work with. By the way, I used to be a Catholic, I dissowned the chruch long ago.
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Posted Monday, October 01, 2007 7:09 PM By WB
A bisexual innately requires both a husband and a wife -- therefore polygamy must be protected by law (according to this "logic").
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:08 AM By Maria
To Thomas who said he was gay and Catholic. Thomas have you thought about turning away from that lifestyle? Please consider it and trust in Jesus to heal you of this same sex attraction. Jesus loves you, please choose Jesus. Trust in Him alone. If you deny yourself those pleasures you will gain graces and your trust in Jesus will grow and you will grow more in virtues. I will be praying for you. Please turn away from this lifestyle and give up your desires and turn them over to our Lord and seek healing. He loves you and wants you.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:44 AM By Peter
No. A bisexual does not REQUIRE a husband and a wife. Nor does a bisexual REQUIRE being "sexual" with both genders. A bisexual is attracted sexually to both genders; and could, and do, enter into long term monagamous relationships with either. Bisexuality, in itself, does not establish the need for or a legal basis to protect polygamy.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:27 AM By WB
I notice that you're willing to deny bisexuals the opportunity of fulfilling their sexual desires to have sex with both men and women through polygamy (do you prefer fornication for them)? You merely make an assertion about what they should do. With this, you don't have an argument and the point stands. The acceptance of gay marriage undercuts the basis for the forbidding of polygamy (among other things). The argument is, "I need to act on my sex desires, therefore change the laws of the country and change American culture (and disregard God's law) to accomodate me." But when bisexuals say that they want to act on their sex desires and have two "spouses" you simply deny them. Can we call this "hatred"? Ok, I think it's very easy to see the absurdity of any argument supporting gay marriage. It has no substance and cannot appeal to "justice". It's merely an attempt to enshrine a disordered sexual interest.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:55 PM By Greg
A couple of the more enlightened churches are United Church of Christ or the Episcopal Church.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 6:39 PM By Greg
The poster pails in comparison to the atrocities the Catholic Church has committed .... Including the recent cover-up of child abuse by clergy ... that is disgusting.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:22 AM By Peter
WB: "Ok, I think it's very easy to see the absurdity of any argument supporting gay marriage."
If you were willing to acknowledge the argument in support of gay marriage you would not consider it absurd. Enough time wasted on you.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:51 AM By ken barth
grisha,if i was a catholic i might consider your offer for mass a 10.30 but i am just a christian with no ties to the church,so thanks but no thanks.oh by the way,since your able to round up a couple of hundred "GOOD" people in that city i would suggest to them that they leave before the lord throws a fit.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:39 PM By Grisha
Our Lord brought a young man from our parish back to us from Iraq. He recieved his second Purple Heart in our Church on Monday evening. I don't think he'll throw a fit avout us! Does God throw g fits? I don't think so. Also we welcome all of any faith or of no faith and especialy those on a journey back to faith. We also have great sports bar alot of us repair to after mass. Come join us when you're here. L'Chaim!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:57 PM By ken barth
hey grisha,you got that right,because lord knows he did not come through the oakland terminal,or he did not come across the golden gate bridge(the uniform) nor did the blue angels get him there,so it had to be the lord.if jesus says no man should lay with another,what does that mean?
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:05 PM By ken barth
and as a side note grisha,why would i go to a sports bar with you to repair? i had nothing to do with breaking it in the first place.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:22 AM By Grisha
Ken
This is "repair" as in "to betake ones self", though I suppose we get our souls repaired at Mass and our bodies repaired at the sports bar. They do a great brunch!
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:32 AM By Grisha
Ken --
1) The Oakland Airport is not in SF .. it's in Oakland 2) Military convoys drive over the GG Bridge all the time 3) The Blue Angels will perform this Sunday. Only 3 of our 11 County Supervisors voted against them . I don't recall the Gospels telling of Jesus saying anything about homosexuality. The "man laying with a man as with a woman" passage is from Leviticus. One of our parishioners has the bible in his PDA. We can look it up at the sports bar after mass.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:05 PM By ELIZABETH
I FRANKLY AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF WHATEVER SUBJECT IS TAKING PLACE REGARDING JESUS' BEAUTIFUL CHURCH, THE PRIEST ABUSE SCANDAL IS BROUGHT UP!!!!
I PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABUSED AND THE PRIESTS WHO SATAN'S EVIL GRASP GOT AHOLD OF......
BUT, LET'S NOT THROW EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CHURCH AND HER WONDERFUL TEACHINGS IN WITH THE SADNESS THAT HAS HAPPENED!!
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:24 PM By Greg
Peter: I got around to reading your post (9/27 11:02) ... I could not have said it better. You are right on ... and as far as these people who say the have "same-sex attracttion" but dont call themselves gay and believe it is a choice ... well, that pure BS and science doesnt back them up either. It is an attempt by "religious" people to try to confuse the issue because they dont want to admit that what they have been preaching for thousands of years is WRONG. Of course gay people are resentfull of religious docture that preaches hate toward us.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:08 AM By Greg
Was your heterosexuality a choice? Of course it wasn't.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 2:38 PM By JOHN
Choice? It is calleed free will you Moron.! Your free to go to Hell.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:15 PM By AgayGuy
All the justifications for this are inane. It was done specifically to BE offensive, and hurts the gay community as a whole. This kind of disrespect and offensiveness doesn't do anybody any good.
Sure it's titillating, but isn't it time for some of you to grow the hell up ?
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:15 PM By Greg
John: I think I will, thanks
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:33 PM By Greg
Not everyone thinks sex is a dirty thing ... to uppity Catholics it might be but there are people who integrate sex into their spiritual lives. Native Americans did. Sex is a natural part of our lives.
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:28 AM By MasterServer
Greg, was my hetrosexuality a choice? Of course it was. Sexuality is a natural desire. Not having sex with children is my choice. Not having sex outside of marriage is my choice. Not having sex with a man is my choice. Grow up.
Just because something is "natural" does not mean it is "right."
Greed is natural. That does not make it right!
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:17 AM By Greg
That the poster was not done for your benefit it was done for the benefit of those who integrate sexuality into their spirituality.... we are a very small minority, so the harm we do to you is minscule compared to the oppression you do to us.
Stop the oppession and the tension will ease. Its that simple.
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:42 AM By Greg
What is most offensive about the poster? Jesus as a black man, partial attire or sexual toys? Its out of the closet now, come on, what is most offensive? The poster makes us think about what it is we are repulsed by and why.
Sex, black men and sexual toys are found everywhere but when they are next to your lily white Jesus, many are repulsed.
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:26 AM By KaraLynn
Greg,
The B.S. is that there IS scientific "proof" people are born homosexual. I'm a woman with same-sex attraction, I CHOOSE to not live out those inclinations. No B.S. Greg but pure unadulterated fact.
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:39 AM By Greg
Good for you KaraLynn. I am happy for you. There is more than one way to be happy and to be with God.
I dont choose to live a lie. My sexuality is part of my spirituality.
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:48 PM By AgayGuy
I think you miss the point entirely. There isn't anything about the poster that ISN'T offensive.
YOU like it because it's a revenge-thing. I know this is true, because I'm gay, and I've talked to dozens of people about this.
Not because I CARED, but because they felt the need to "inform" me, and shove a poster with a table full of sex-toys in my face.
Enjoy your titillation, and mean-spirited revenge. It comes at the cost of alienating people who might otherwise have been happy to provide the love and support that a person who spends all of their time posting over and over here obviously are in dire need of.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:24 AM By Greg
Actually, you miss the point. I like the poster because it combines sexuality with spirituality. It is not a revenge thing at all.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:33 AM By Greg
By the way ... it was poeple in the Chruch that shoved the poster all over the place and desided it wanted revenge. That poster was meant for people who share the same spirituality as I do and only for those people. It was a poster for the fair. For many people at the fair, (who have been shoved out of church), that poster provides a connection of their religious beliefs to their sexuality. Yes, for a few it might be a revenge thing, but many people I've talk to it provides a connection.
So, a gayguy, dont pretent to be all knowledgable about what everyone is thinking or feels.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 10:31 AM By Greg
By the way: A gay Catholic is an oxymoron.
The church teaches gay people are disordered and will go to hell.
Gay identifies oneself as an out and proud gay person. When the words "gay Catholic" are combined it is an oxymoron. It is beyond me why any self respecting gay person would want to belong to a church that hates them.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:55 AM By Tony
The Church teaches that homosexuals are to be accepted and loved and should be involved in church activities it also teaches that homosexuals should refrain from sexual activities because they are not married, just as it teaches that stright people should not engage in sexuality if they are not married to each other.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:16 PM By Greg
...and then you deny gay people the right to a civil unions and civil marriage. I've had enough of your idiodic and totaly discriminatory religion.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:44 PM By WB
I appreciated AgayGuy's posting. It's an honest assessment of something that is very offensive to Catholics. I would agree also that titilation, vengence and mean-spiritedness are the driving factors. I've met many gays who have that kind of relentless anger and aggression against the Catholic faith. But I know other G&L people who would share KaraLynn's committment to God and admit that they have same-sex attraction but they refuse to act on them. It's a courageous and difficult path and those people should be admired for their struggles. They're persecuted by those who think that sexuality is akin slavery -- that one has no choice but to follow sexual inclinations no matter where they're oriented. However, we do indeed have free will, and we can rise above our inclinations to the flesh, no matter how difficult it may seem.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:52 PM By WB
Three sentences and three completely false statements. I don't know how you could be more wrong. 1. "The church teaches gay people are disordered and will go to hell." False. It's clear that you don't know very much about Catholic moral teaching. 2. "Gay identifies oneself as an out and proud gay person." False. You assert that the term "gay" means what you want it to. 3. "It is beyond me why any self respecting gay person would want to belong to a church that hates them." The Church does not hate them. Many people, gay or otherwise, fight against their disordered sexual desires. The Church merely teaches what God's law of love requires from us all. People inclined to adultery are taught to never act on such impulses. People inclined to fornication, pedophilia and polygamy are warned about the dangerous consequences of such actions. Those inclined to same-sex behaviors are simply taught in a similar way -- for their benefit, out of love for them.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 7:16 PM By Greg
In my childhood, I was Catholic. My parents sent me to Catholic high school. I later discovered that I am gay. The church is cruel to gay people. Its teachings do not make sense with respect to gay people. The teachings of the church discriminate and are not able to followed by gay people. What the church is doing is wrong. I have disowned the church and I do all I can do to try to educate members of the church to try to change its teachings with respect to gay people. What the church teaches causes much harm to gay people. If it wasn't for gay friends, I would have committed suicide because of the teachings of the church. I am alive today, because of the kindness of members of the gay community.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 2:39 PM By Mike G.
Greg, Iam gay as well and believe me the Roman Catholic Church does not say we are going to "Hell" and certainly is not going to kill us after all we are not talking about Islam here! Having said that, when I go to Holy Mass and by the way I go to a S.S.P.X chapel where everyone is very conservitive and most know about me but I don't broadcast it and shove my sexual orientation down their throats!! They know I live my life the best I can and I love the Roman Church, in the end Our Lord will decide what becomes of me I feel like anyone else in this parish and they treat me as another member, you would be suprised if you just went to Mass and worshipped Our Lord and not wear your sexual orientation on your sleeve. Iam very active in Republican politics as well and yes we can be conservitives and Roman Catholic at the same time remember we all don't march in "pride" parades dress and act like women and mock Our Savior we say we want to be treated like everyone else so just act like everyone else!!! Dominus Vobiscum Greg! p.s. the Church does LOVE you!
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Posted Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:30 PM By Greg
this board is censored and not for porn or anything that should be censored but is censored by topic.
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Posted Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:07 PM By BigDuh
Greg -- this is a CATHOLIC site... besides, looks to me like they post a lot of your comments. Maybe you over-do it? You want a completely uncensored board? Start your own...
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Posted Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:45 AM By Greg
It appears to me that views opposing Catholic dogma and which try to make sense of it, are censored. Not all but many. The only way you can keep sheep is to keep them away from opposing views.
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Posted Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:05 AM By Kragnorak
I stumbled across this late, but I was wondering. Is there anybody else that took this parody as merely being of a famous work of art, instead of an attack on Christians? I mean, this is similar to the Mona Lisa with a mustache painted on her correct? Both are parodies of Da Vinci works; although this work is more commercial and will therefore not end up in a famous museum.
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Posted Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:31 PM By Brandon
I am Christian and find this offensive but the government has no right to intervene because the Christian religion does not run this country and people have a freedom of speech.
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