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Scantily clad women, two men kissing, and a transvestite

Former LA cathedral now a venue for sexy fashion shows and live, trendy entertainment


Los Angeles’ former cathedral, St. Vibiana’s, built in 1876, has gotten a new life since the Los Angeles archdiocese sold it to developer Tom Gilmore in 1999. It is now called “Vibiana’s Place,” and reopened as an art center in 2006.

“Church law requires that former churches be used for a dignified purpose,” archdiocesan spokesman Tod Tamberg told the Associated Press in 2005. St. Vibiana’s transformation into an art center is “really a wonderful second life for the former cathedral," said Tamberg.

From Oct. 11-13, the old cathedral served as a venue for LA’s “Fashion Week.” BOXeight, a nonprofit arts organization, held its contribution to Fashion Week at Vibiana’s Place. The event, “Have Faith in LA,” was a “fashion, music and art collaborative.”

Designers featured at the event include Jeffrey Sebelia, whose Cosa Nostra collection displays his “love of all things punk rock,” said the Oct. 10 Los Angeles Times. His most requested piece is “the flirty striped dress zigzagged with zippers.” The Cosa Nostra web site reveals women’s styles, some tight and formfitting, while others emphasize cleavage.

“Have Faith in LA” featured Louis Verdad, a designer whose collection for women, like Sebelia’s, emphasizes the sexy – bare shoulders, low cut necklines, short skirts. According to his web site, the León, Guanjuato-born Verdad is “known for his chic, sophisticated design,” and draws his inspiration from “the elegant status-driven society in which he grew up.”

Less elegant, and more revealing, are the designs by the Bohemian Society, also featured at the Vibiana’s Place show.

Among the entertainment groups featured during three-day event was “You Wear It Well,” which calls itself a “traveling presentation of short films and videos that investigate the intersection of fashion and film.” A short clip, “A Shaded View of Fashion,” featured on the group’s web site features scantily clad women, two men kissing, and a transvestite.

Another entertainment group was the Hysterica Dance Company, whose choreography, with barely clad men and women, emphasizes the erotic.

BOXeight calls itself “an arts organization dedicated to the rejuvenation of a downtown neighborhood, and the organization of a Los Angeles arts community.” It says it hopes that, through its efforts, “downtown will flourish into a standard for artists communities across the globe.”

Among BOXeight’s sponsors is the Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council, created by the new city charter in 1999. The council’s mission is “to unite the diverse communities of Downtown Los Angeles and to provide an innovative forum for all community stakeholders to contribute to a healthy, vibrant, and inclusive Downtown.”


READER COMMENTS

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:23 AM By pablo
So why doesn't the Holy father just laicize the Cardinals and Bishops and priests who are destroying as much as possible visible signs of the church? Better to have no heirarchy than to have no Faithful. And he better do it before our Lord does.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:42 AM By semperficatholic
There is no wonder California is on fire!

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:03 AM By Laurette Elsberry
Any "art center" in Los Angeles would of necessity be one that would accommodate, and even "worship" the kind of art popular in that city. So naturally " Vibiana's Place" (sounds like a tavern) would have to present the type of art prevalent in LA today - tawdry, tacky, immodest, and even perverted. It's no surprise to me, and I'm sure Tod Tamberg, Cardinal Mahony's mouthpiece, is not surprised either.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:38 AM By Frank
None of this lasciviousness is apparent in the Place's webpage. It strikes me that the editor shows a tendency to tease titillating tidbits from multiple sources, and serve up a steaming stew sexual stew of a story. What's next? Counting naked cherubs on church ceilings?

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:54 AM By ELIZABETH
TO THE POSTER WHO SAYS NO WONDER CALIFORNIA IS ON FIRE.... I AGREE. I'M A NATIVE CALIFORNIAN AND ONLY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD, IS SAN FRANCISCO STILL IN ONE PIECE. MAYBE IT'S THE PRAYERS OF THE FAITHFUL IN OUR ARCHDIOCESE, THAT THE LORD HAS HAD MERCY ON US......

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:06 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Frank, "Steaming sexual stiew of a story" -- I admire that sibilant alliteration. No one said it was on the Vibiana's Place website. The multiple sources are the web sites of the groups who participated in the fashion show. They, seemingly, were serving up the sexual stew -- we are just reporting on it.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:42 AM By Papamac
Christopher...Please verify you reported on the old Cathderal, it looks more like it might be Holy Redeemer in San Fran which is still disgracing Catholism. For those commenting on the fires, please leave California and drive to Nevada or Arizona quickly to pray for our Lords help, remember the ACLU along with Sleazeanator Arnold and the California Legislators have banned him from California, he is waiting to hear from you, especially what you are going to do to bring him and his teachings which you have voted to ban, back into your lives and those of the children who are now subject to satans gay teachings in the schools, he really wants to know why YOU let satan into our schools and ban him. He is ready to answer you, his arms are wide open begging you to turn to him. Arnie has banned the words Father and Mother, did this include Mary and Joseph, you really need to get this mess straightened out NOW, don't keep messing with our Lord, HE LOVES YOU, DOES satan.....GOD BLESS

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:51 PM By Gloria Thiele
I'm in tears. I grew up in Los Angeles in the days of Cardinal McIntyre, God bless him. And where is the incorrupt St. Vibiana today? My once conservative Catholic college, Mt. St. Mary's is "wreckovating" its beautiful old chapel & I find little of Catholicism in its mission statement. Diversity, yes. Mandatum, no. Every day, everywhere, the outrages escalate. Chastisement? It can't come too soon.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:56 PM By DJ
This is the most horrific bunch of hateful, anti-Christian commentary I have ever seen. The fires as punishment? That is nothing short of evil. May God have mercy on you all.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:24 PM By firewize
Since when has telling the truth become hateful? Yes, the fires are punishment, in the sense that God has withdrawn his protection because of immense sin. We sit in our own mess and we reap what we sow. The consequences of sin is death, repentance brings forgiveness. So, are we ready to repent of our sin, say we are sorry, pray and fast? I can pray that those who post here will do just that. God repented, that is, turned back from the evil he planned to inflict upon Ninevah after they repented of THEIR sins. So California, get on your knees, tell God you are sorry and repent, from homosexuality, fornication, licentiousness, adultery, abortion, greed, sloth, gluttony, need any more? But it isn't just California, it is all of the world that is in need of repentance. Get off your soapboxes and on your knees beseeching mercy-it is free and available to those who ask.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:57 PM By Daniel
The fires here in San Diego have reached a highway near the Pacific Ocean named, " Del Dios " Highway which is so Ironic since this name translated into English literally means, " From God ". I wonder if anyone is fooling themselves thinking that God is not in control of His nature..... Don't play with his natural order ( marriage ) and He won't use nature to bring order to your unnatural ways......

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:25 PM By Marcelle
I back up firewise. Yes, let us fall on our knees and start making reparation for the sins of the whole world.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:03 PM By John L. Sillasen
God wants to repair creation; prayer, fasting, and good action is our lot, and we should be responsible to carry it out.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:04 PM By EmmaRebecca
"Don't play with his natural order ( marriage ) and He won't use nature to bring order to your unnatural ways......" This says it all. Thank you Daniel for saying this so forthrightly and poetically. God have mercy on us all...

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:34 PM By Jim Horn
How sad that some are so determined to trash such a beautiful cathedral that was the home for so many beautiful gifts. Where has awe of God gone? Who is watching over His gifts? What kind of people are in charge? Please pray for all of us.

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:25 PM By Tony Murnane
'Firewise' is right on the mark when he/she states that these wildfires are occurring as a result of the Lord withdrawing his protection. Famous priest and nuclear physicist Fr Bernhard Philberth, in his book 'Christian Prophecy and Nuclear Power' states that the only reason nuclear war has not broken out yet is God's direct protective intervention from nuclear accident. He conveys that we cannot expect that protection to continue indefinitely if we continue flouting His Ten Commandments as if they did not exist, and refuse to give him due homage in prayer. It was Mother Theresa said 'the fruit of abortion is nuclear war'. Wake up world!

Posted Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:35 PM By Ernest
Scantily clad women, two men kissing, and a transvestite......I have seen this in current today's churches..............

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:16 AM By dina
I think the holy Father needs to disband the USCCB. That organization acts like a separate magisterium just for the U.S. and gives the worst of the bishops too much power. We have one pope...we don't need a USCCB president. We have one magisterium...we don't need the USCCB...and we have one church...we don't need Am-church... God help American Catholics. d.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:23 AM By javier
I am in Spain. This is really very sad and hurts me. I wonder if Catholics could recover this Holy Place collecting money among us. I believe when Church sells churches must include a clause for not to have such activities in these places.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:02 AM By Ted
As bad as this is, it is so little compared to the singularly ungodly and secular architecture of the new cathedral.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:15 AM By S
The unnatural ways, the grave sins, etc etc ALL belong at the doorstep of the clergy of the last 70 years. The sins of the faithful follow. Any and all of this decadance is the spiritual responsibility of pederasts and mortal sinners with collars around their necks.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:34 AM By MAC
I agree Jim. But, is it not the Magesterium's duty to protect the sanctity of the Church? In my opinion, the Bishops of the U.S. and even the Pope have dropped the ball. They seem to be too politically correct to stand up and take action to protect the Church. Christ made it clear that the "gates of hell will not prevail", but that does not mean that the Magisterium should stand by and wait for Christ to physically come down and make things right. I am really fed up with complacent Bishops and yes, at times, a complacent Pope.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:58 AM By valleygirl
Wow, this religion is not full of forgiveness and teaching, it is FULL of judgment. Why don't you look within your own priests.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:52 AM By MAC
Does anyone know what "valleygirl" is talking about?

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:08 PM By SFqueerchoirBoy
You go, valleygirl!

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:31 PM By Frank
MAC: I'm surprised you don't understand valleygirl's comment. Of the 22 comments preceding hers, 15 or more than 2/3 could fairly be characterized as judgmental or "dittoing" an earlier judgmental post. Among the judgmental threads: "The fires are God's judgment", "It's all the xxx fault" (bishops, priests, LA culture), derisive words used to describe individuals or institutions not to the commentators' liking. Of course, having complained about all the judgment, she tries to balance it by offering an out-of-left-field judgment about "your" priests. Her post is too short for me to tell if her irony was intentional.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:39 PM By bob A.
Cardinal Mahoney must go! This is another instance of his condoning scandalous behavor.

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:35 PM By John L. Sillasen
By EmmaRebecca "Don't play with his natural order ( marriage ) and He won't use nature to bring order to your unnatural ways......" This says it all. """ Yep, it's true; read about the Fall in Book One of the Bible (Genesis).

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:19 PM By Katie
My mother took us as children to this beautiful revernet place and I was held in awe, respect and even then had a sense of pride that as a Roman Catholic we had such beautiful churches to celebrate or glorify a loving God. When I read this article, my heart pounded with loss, fear and sadness. How must God feel?

Posted Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:19 AM By Bev
To Richie Loo, May God forgive you for your nasty comment. Learn the truth and live it. Dont look to the faults of others. Look into your own cold heart and repent of your sins. Then love as you never have before. You will see a change in your attitude. Peace.

Posted Sunday, October 28, 2007 1:32 PM By Roland
What is going on today, not just in the U.S.A. but all over the world, is a repetition of mankind's unbridled immorality, especially the heinous sins of homosexuality that led to the terrible events that transpired in Sodom and Gomorrah which God totally destroyed with brimstone and fire. Nowadays, homosexuality has gained favor even among some in the clergy who actually promote it because they are themselves homosexuals. Moreover, today it isn't just homosexuality that is a problem but also the annual mass murder of some two million unborn babies through abortion which has been legalized due to the consent of so-called chiefs of states, legislators, judges. physicians and others in the medical and pharmaceutical industry who love money, power and popularity. I believe the destruction of our modern world will be man-made through so-called high-tech inventions of mad scientists and brainy crackpots. It will probably be a nuclear holocaust. No one can stop such stupid mass destruction of men by men, except through the intervention of Our Lord in His Second Coming.

Posted Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:59 PM By LV
The Spirit of Vatican II lives on.

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