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Massive PR machine?

Some say Cardinal Mahony’s willingness to meet with sexual abuse victims nothing more than a public relations stunt


Over the past year, Cardinal Roger Mahony has met individually with 70 victims of clergy sexual abuse. Archdiocesan spokesman Tod Tamberg told the July 30 Los Angeles Times that Mahony has scheduled more meetings with sexual abuse victims and that “he has said he will meet with any victim who wants to meet with him.”

But Lee Bashworth, 37, who claims abuse by former priest Michael Wempe, told the Times, that, though he would “relish an opportunity to tell Mahony one-on-one what I think of him,” such a meeting would “mean playing into [the cardinal’s] massive P.R. machine, and I refuse to do that.”

Survivors’ Network of Those Abused by Priests, said the Times, has “cautioned members against meeting with Mahony” because “such discussions could cause them further harm.”

What harm?

“Oftentimes people think they’ll get a very sympathetic, compassionate response, and sometimes they don’t,” Survivors’ Network spokesman David Clohessy told California Catholic Daily. “Or sometimes they’ll expect that a bishop will be more forthcoming, especially, for example, “where there’s no dispute about the veracity of their claim. And yet they still walk away, feeling disappointed and hurt that they haven’t sort of gotten more.”

However, Clohessy said, “I don’t think we’ve ever said, ‘you shouldn’t do it.’ It’s every survivor’s individual choice.”

Clohessy said he understands the fear of a PR machine, “especially with Mahony.” With such meetings, bishops can “position themselves as men who didn’t get it but now they do; they know that in the PR world that generally works, that Catholics are especially a forgiving people, and if we think they just didn’t get it and now they do, that’s certainly a better impression to have of one’s bishop rather than to think that he’s cold-hearted or self-serving.”

The Times said while some victims have found meetings with Mahony beneficial, others haven’t. But no one interviewed by the newspaper has said they regret meeting with him.

Erin Brady said she thought he was “not compassionate” when they met in mid-February, though Mahony “did sit there and take it from me -- and I was not easy on him. I give him credit for that.”

Victim Mark Gauer’s wife, Cecilia, said that in their meeting, Mahony did not apologize but said, “I will take responsibility for what happened.” He apologized repeatedly to Dominic Zamora, who says he was molested by Michael Stephen Baker – a priest whose case Mahony has said “troubles me the most.” Mahony “says forgive and forget,” said Zamora. “I said, ‘I ain’t at no AA meeting.’” A Neville Rucker victim, A.L., said when she met with Mahony in 2006, his eyes filled with tears. “I saw a human side to this person,” she said, “and I can forgive and let it go.”

Mary, another victim, said she told Mahony that she could not remain in the Catholic Church after what happened to her. She says Mahony told her, “The Catholic Church is not the only church,” a response that Mary said surprised her.


READER COMMENTS

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:10 AM By David
The abuse scandals has been by far the worst of this century. It was the Catholic Church's 9/11. Weak bishops mishandled alot that traumatized many people. But this is also a blow from the enemy. While I am very sorry for those who have been hurt by scandal and angry as well, there is also corruption on the side of the victims' organizations as well that is also misleading the victims. A group like SNAP that Mr. Clohessy is part of is a front for dissenting groups like Voice of the Faithful and Call to Action. Groups like these use the scandal to slowly worm heretical ideology to promote women priests, abortion, contraceptives and here's the twisted--homosexual marriage. (Ironically, the majority of the abusive priests were of a homosexual orientation). These organizations are also very anti-masculinity. Changing the teachings of the Church is not going to solve every problem. Feel free to give me an email and share what you think. benedict2johnpaul@yahoo.com

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:45 AM By Sonja
Stop with the compassionate nonsense already. It is a little too late for Mahony to try to clean up his soiled image now. What I Want To Know Is.....HOW MANY MILLIONS DID MAHONY SPEND DURING HIS FIVE YEAR LEGAL BRAWL TO KEEP HIS SORRY SELF FROM TESTIFYING IN COURT?

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:00 AM By David
Again, the weak bishops were easily swayed by the scandal. I pray for their souls. But what I really angers me more are the enemies of the faith devouring the victims with dissenting ideology. SNAP's savior to this whole scandal is Thomas Doyle, an ex-Dominican Priest tainted with Marxist/Liberation Theology. One should see the movie to see his view of Jesus as a "revolutionist" in which he quotes in the film. He is also very anti-clerical, which carries the echos of the French Revolution when priests were executed. Here are some sources to prove my point. http://www.tfp.org/TFPForum/catholic_perspective/watchdogs.htm http://www.tfp.org/TFPForum/TFPCommentary/tfp_statement_left_unanswered.htm

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:05 AM By Judy
Good grief David (last poster)... you need to get out of your bubble and see what real life is all about. It is my personal experience that SNAP.. survivors who have been sexually abused by priests, and who have been abused again by the hierarchy's cover-ups, do not even have much space in their lives to care about the opinions of gays, abortion, etc. They have enough of a load to carry on their shoulders just struggling to get through life and try to heal from their trauma and pain. Please, you are not at all caring of victims of abuse. You just dimissed them big time. Also, children are not your enemy. Judy.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:11 AM By Sonja
Well, David, what are you doing, or what have you done, to protect the Children of Our Church from pedophile clergy? Well? I have talked to victims. Comforted them. Cried with them.Gone to court with them. Spiken up for them. What have you been doing to save this Church from, what St. Pius X called, the smoke of satan? Blogging mindless rhetoric will not save the church or its children.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:14 AM By David
JUDY, I am no way condeming personal victims but the organizations itself. As i mentioned in my last post.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:17 AM By David
My favorite politician, Rick Santorum, makes it quite simple and clear. "It is startling that those in the media and academia appear most disturbed by this aberrant behavior, since they have zealously promoted moral relativism by sanctioning "private" moral matters such as alternative lifestyles. Priests, like all of us, are affected by culture. When the culture is sick, every element in it becomes infected. While it is no excuse for this scandal, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm." In this case, it is practically 90% of the West Coast.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:28 AM By David
Oh and another thing Judy. I havve been out of my "bubble" I have practically been to hell and back.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:19 PM By Pat
How did the church scandals happen? How could they have been so extensive? Why were the victims treated as culprits, and the culprits protected? Well, people made up their minds. They made a choice. People decided who to trust and what to believe. And anything they saw or heard that did not conform to those choices, those facts simply were not allowed to exist.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:25 PM By Dan
David is right, the scandal has been exploited. I give the victims' groups a pass. I think the real exploiters are the many enemies that the Church has in the secular press. The sole focus on the Church when the problem is pervasive in our society (including, to at least the same degree as within the Church, within our public schools and other religious institutions) is its own scandal.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:54 PM By David
The main agenda of these groups is to destroy the Catholic Church and turn it into the Episcopal Church or even Universalist Universal and allow abortion, contraceptives, radical feminism and relativism.

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:02 PM By Russ Bianchi
Roger Mahony, Robert Brom, Tod Brown, Daniel Walsh, Rivera of Mexico City, Egan of NY, George of Chicago, Bernie Law Formerly Of Boston, all need to be canonically censored, stripped of their jobs, placed under life house arrest (preferrably in a remote, cold, hard labor and bad food monestary) like Marciel of the Legionnaires of Christ, OR SWIFTLY EXCOMMUNICATED. The laity must with hold all monies until accoutability comes to master enablers and protectors of serial physical maimers, mental torturers, sexual assaulters, oral copulators, rapists, and sodomists of tens of thousands of children, just in the USA (per JJ Report) over multiple decades and still are protecting many dozen of felons hiding in Mexico, Ireland, Asia & elsewhere, through annuities, salaries, pensions and hush monies from the laity. All monies in this criminal cover up, that continues, have been paid by laity. Until the laity with holds revenue, these crooks will stay where they are, with no personal accouantbility. Watch for free, DELIVER US FROM EVIL, at: www.youtube.com For daily vetted stories on the ongoing criminal cover up go to: www.bishopaccountability.org/abusetracker No Bishop Accountability? No Laity Monies! Russ Bianchi Lay Member of the Diocese of Monterey, CA russ@adepthq.com

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:40 PM By Ann Cinquina
Obviously our Mother Church has been infiltrated by perverts whose goal was to destroy the church by their vile behavior. Can this all be part of a conspiracy and if so should the Cardinal be defrocked for covering for these most abominable sins?

Posted Tuesday, July 31, 2007 10:03 PM By Sonja
Dear Russ, Roger Mahony could not live without The Best Food, The Best Wine and The Comfort of His Luxury Apartments. And all the while, street people wander hungry and homeless outside the gates of that 200 Million Dollar Ugly Beast Mahony calls a cathedral.

Posted Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:17 PM By Pat
For the victims it's about stopping the Catholic church from molesting another tens of thousands of catholic children. It is about exposing what some Catholic Hierarchy doesn't want you to see. The personnel records on the pedophile priests and there part in it. If it was not for the courage of the past and present catholic victims, most all of the Catholic Hierarchy that is covering up the child abuse would be very happy and the pedophile priests would still be at large in the Catholic community molesting and raping thousands of catholic children here and all over the world. The Hierarchy that is covering up the abuse doesn't care about the money or any of the other fuzzy warm stuff you think they may be concerned about. I could go on but if you just don't get what is really at stake here; It's about the children that have not been molested so far. The victims of past child priest abuse and the hierarchy that covers it up is the reason they are trying to expose these crimes.

Posted Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:23 PM By Victoria Martin
Well, David and Dan, you dismiss so calously the rape and sodomy of little children. Have you ever spoken to, or listened to the stories of those victimized by clergy sexual butchery. I challenge each of you to contact the Survivors Network of Those Abused By Priests (SNAP) at, mgrantsnap@earthlink.net and arrange for listening sessions at your parishes. In these sessions you will LEARN, from the victims themselves, how terribly they were sexually victimized by those they were taught to admire and trust. Contact SNAP and work out a date and time and we will be there. Do not be afraid David and Dan. If your Faith is strong, this will not touch your base of belief. But it will help you to learn more about how to protect the Children of the Church.......And you will learn from experts.

Posted Wednesday, August 01, 2007 2:08 PM By Frank
Priest sexual abuse dates back 1,600 years, according to church scholars. And yet some Catholic leaders, including Mahony, say they have been aware of it only in the last couple of decades. Mahony made this assertion under oath, at a deposition in 2004.

Posted Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:05 PM By Steve
No PR machine will stop what's coming. The LA Archdiocese is just the tip of the iceberg. There is much more of the same in the near future. Kids from the 80's and 90's will be coming forward in mass over the next few years. These victims unfortunately have been damaged in the same brutal way as the victims that just settled. This will happen all over the world wherever the catholic church has a presence.

Posted Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:13 PM By Jordan
There is a tendency in our time and perhaps throughout time to simplify. We all want it simple.We want to know what to do. A great communicator is one who can break it down for you -- "Just giveme the bottom line." "Cut to the chase." Well, life and morality and governance, adequate citizenship, is not about "the chase." Just as having a spirituallife is not about making up your mind once and for all. True spirituality is present, it's alive and observant.

Posted Friday, August 03, 2007 4:20 PM By M.F.
I had my moment with Mahony in 2002. It was at his office. He wouldn't let my friend who drove me there come in for moral support. Of course, he had a priest there as his sidekick and stated that a church employee was my advocate. If I didn't accept it, the meeting would be canceled. I thought he would hear my story and be so humbled and horrified that he would do something to stop abuse and help victims. His response was that of a coffee table. I found him an unfeeling figurehead with no heart. I'm glad for those victims who got some measure of relief talking with him. I am more thankful to the members of SNAP [Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests] and the lawyers who represented victims. They provided justice and vindication.

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