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Published: March 10, 2008
“So much beauty and so much trash”
San Francisco's archbishop will speak to seminarians on evils of pornography
Though he has shown himself tolerant of the openly “gay-friendly” Most Holy Redeemer parish in San Francisco’s Castro District and has permitted Catholic Charities to continue facilitating adoptions by same-sex couples, San Francisco Archbishop George Niederauer, it appears, is a determined foe of pornography.
Tomorrow, Archbishop Niederauer will address pornography and how it affects human dignity at his alma mater, St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo. "Pornography is evil because it debases the priceless worth and dignity of each human being," said Niederauer, according to the March 7 Tidings, the newspaper of the Los Angeles archdiocese. "On the Internet each day there are 68 million search engine requests for pornography websites, which account for 25 percent of all searches. Seventy percent of men ages 18 to 24 visit pornographic websites each month and children are often first exposed to pornography on the Internet at age 11."
As Bishop of Salt Lake City, Niederauer was chairman of the Utah Coalition Against Pornography. In 2005, he received the Guardian of Light award from the Washington, D.C., and Salt Lake City, Utah-based Lighted Candle Society for his efforts to curb pornography.
Last May, Niederauer gave the keynote address at the annual Lighted Candle Society Guardian of Light Awards Dinner in Salt Lake City, according to the Intermountain Catholic, the newspaper of the Salt Lake City diocese. Pointing out that pornography is not a “new challenge to single-hearted human love and to respect for the dignity of human persons and human sexuality,” it has become more pervasive, said Niederauer. It’s not just films and magazines anymore, he said, but “every computer terminal is its pipeline, and cell phones and other hand held devices, many of them marketed to children and young people, literally deliver pornography everywhere, to anyone.”
Pornography, said Niederauer, is extremely harmful. It “assaults human dignity and commodifies people and human sexuality. Porn starves the human soul in its spiritual dimension…. The human person, an irreplaceable gift, becomes a throwaway toy.”
Pornography damages families and social relationships, said Niederauer, “because lust isolates, while love unites… Nor should we ignore the social implications of pornography: it exploits the desperate poor and the innocent young. All too frequently it is associated with, and contributes to, acts of sexual violence or abuse.”
The archbishop criticized Hollywood, saying, “The world of film is capable of so much beauty and so much trash.” This being the case, the public cannot be passive viewers. “Moviegoers can’t be sponges,” said Niederauer. “We need to be able to call good good and evil evil. Just as in our experiences of other media, in watching films we need to become our own best filters...”
Niederauer caused a storm of controversy in 2006 when he admitted in a newspaper interview that he had seen – and apparently enjoyed -- the movie “Brokeback Mountain,” an explicit film about the sexual relationship between two cowboys. The archbishop called the movie “very powerful,” and, unlike many pro-family leaders, did not condemn the film for its favorable treatment of homosexuality.
Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 3:33 AM By Vincent
What a strange article ... this site always works in the gay angle! Seems to me to be a bit of a fetish! Why not talk about some of the true sources of the rot in sexual morals ... and that is not the film Brokeback Mountain, which had an age restriction anyway, but the many soaps that play out during family time in living rooms around the world, showing fornication and adultery to be the norm in straight relationships? Brokeback was an excellent film because it showed the disaster which can unfold if gay people are forced into straight marriage. Unsuspecting wives and children of gay men are hurt! And it happens a lot ... look at Governor McGreevey, Pastor Ted Haggard, and several high ranking Republican politicians who have tried to seduce errand boys and strangers in public lavatories. Let gays marry gays and they'll no longer marry straights or look for anonymous nookie to save their political careers ... it'll save a hell of a lot of hurt all round. Porn is clearly no good ... you cannot have a reciprocal love relationship with an image on a computer screen or a magazine. But if two gay guys have a fulfilling, intimate love relationship then surely that is good and holy. Leave the anti-gay bias out of your news article next time ... Archbishop Niederauer is most certainly NOT a hypocrite for being anti-porn but accepting of loving gay relationships.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 5:21 AM By Jon
Pornographic priestesses presented themselves to the Archbishop to receive the Body of Christ, and . . .
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 7:21 AM By Lisa T.
Do as I say and not as I do should be Archbishop's Niederauer's motto. I really feel he should clean up his own house (the live pornography that goes on at the Folsom Street Fair in front of St. Joseph's Church/ St. Joseph's Village and the renting out of Most Holy Redeemer's parish hall to S&M groups) before he has the right to preach about the evils of pornography.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 8:34 AM By Michel
I would humbly hope that the archbishop would recognize that the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence," a group of cross-dressing gay men who traipse around in nuns' habits and garish makeup, are not exactly themselves paragons of adherence to Catholic teaching. In my view, giving Holy Communion to these people at the Most Holy Redeemer Parish in the Castro District in San Francisco constituted an act of spiritual pornography. His Excellency needs to take a firm stand against the homosexual lifestyle, against these people who show such disrespect to Our Lord and His Holy Mass, and yes, he also needs to stand against pornography--in all its ugly forms.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 8:49 AM By Laurette Elsberry
Archbishop Niederauer seems to have a split personality. As indicated in this article, he appears to be against pornography. How can it be then that he is so soft on homosexuality (sodomy) when pornography is so much a part of the "gay" lifestyle and is part of the sexual addiction of most "gays"? Maybe he can officially be against pornography because it is "in" to express this, but it is not OK to criticize what is the deadly vice of sodomy.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 9:32 AM By Thomas Miles
GET OFF THE ARCHBISHOP'S BACK, HE IS A VERY GOOD MAN, THANK GOD THAT SAN FRANCISCO HAS AN ARCHBISHOP THAT TREAT GAYS AND OTHERS WITH KINDNESS AND DOES NOT GIVE IN TO THE RIGHT WING NUTS!!!
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 9:34 AM By Margie
If there is one thing I detest about this site it is the constant bashing of God's annointed ones. We must pray for them but the criticism of God's priests is a grave sin. Would you have castigated Peter for his weakness in denying Christ? Are you the Lord of the harvest? Stop it!
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 10:26 AM By Dan Hunter
Vincent,
The Catholic Church officially teaches that:
" Those who actively encourage, engage in or promote homosexual acts or such activity within a homosexual lifestyle formally cooperate in a grave evil and, if they do so knowingly and willingly are guilty of mortal sin."
The Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Here is a quote from the New Testament condemning homosexuality, which is one of the sins "crying to Heaven for vengeance".:
St. Paul, I Corinthians chapter 6 verses 9 and 10:
"Do you not know that the unjust will not enter the kingdom of God?
Do not be decieved; neither fornicators or idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexuals, nor sodomites will inherit the kingdom of God"
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 10:50 AM By Lisa T.
Thomas,
The Archbishop is not doing a good job shepherding his flock when he gives in to the liberal left and militant homosexuals. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The archbishop is not treating gays with kindness if he does not condemn their active gay lifestyle, examples: Folsom Street Fair and the pro-homosexual Most Holy Redeemer parish. Is it kind to sit back and watch silently as souls which he is in charge of fall deeper into the pit of moral sin? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~It is his duty as the bishop to stop the debauchery at Most Holy Redeemer parish and speak out against the Sodom and Gomorah like Folsom Street Fair. By sitting by silently he is scandalizing the faithful and further confusing the already confused GLBT Catholic community in his care.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 11:11 AM By Elizabeth
Please everyone keep praying for the Archbishop!!!!!!
Pray the Holy Spirit will enlighten him and guide him in cleaning up the City of St. Francis.
All things are possible for GOD!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 11:36 AM By Dan Hunter
I Timothy 1:10- "...law is meant not for the a righteous man, but for the lawless and unruly...the unchaste, practicing homosexuals, kidnapers, liars, perjurers and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching."
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 1:51 PM By Annika
Perhaps, Vincent, you might consider that gay activists want to legitimize the right to have sex in public spaces, including bathrooms and parks. It seems that having "anonymous nookie" is part of the gay lifestyle not to be undone by the right of marriage. Face it. Sooner or later they will decriminalize any and all forms and acts of public sex, not that it is not de facto at the Folsom Street fair. How many gays insist on the right to such sexual acting out even in (so called) committed relationships?
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 4:16 PM By Frcd
Again, Congratulations CCD for turning a laudable effort by our Archbishop to help train our seminarians on the pernicious effects of pornography on our faithful into an opportunity to criticize him.
An amazing amount of the faithful will come to them under the influence of our porn saturated culture. Some of them will be (and are now) enticed by he allure of our porn saturated culture.
I am proud of our him for working to address this with candor and care.
Please pray for him and Our Holy Father who appointed him.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 6:58 PM By John L. Sillasen
The Gospel authors put St Peter's failings right out in the open ... that is what we are doing with the bishops' failings. Just as it is the right thing for the bishop to do to point out a sinner's sin, it is the right thing for the laity to do for the bishop, so that he might also profit from the love God bestows in the laity.
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 8:09 PM By Concerned Catholic
There is a LOT of stone throwing in these postings. I know there are some who post here who want to condemn all kinds of evil, but please, first ask yourself, "Who represents me in the story of the woman caught in adultery? (1) the crowd who want to stone the admittedly adulterous woman to death, or (2) or Jesus who says "neither do I condemn you." If you're going to imitate Jesus, before you can say "Go and sin no more," you have to say "neither do I condemn you."
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 9:24 PM By John L. Sillasen
Concerned Catholic, the woman caught in adultry already knew what her sins were, and evidently so did her persecutors ... do you know what the process of discovery is?
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Posted Monday, March 10, 2008 10:39 PM By gravey
How can any reasonable Roman Catholic reconcile the contridiction that the very thing the Archbishop is rightly condemning, pornography, is celebrated in a Church under his care. (Just one example: porno tapes and sex toys given away as bingo prizes in the basement of MHR).
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:01 AM By Concerned Catholic
John L. Sillasen, please reread the story (John 8). There is no indication that the women knew or accepted anything. Her only words were "No one, sir." The people who "knew" were the people, scribes and Pharisees, who were trying to trick Jesus, looking to have the woman stoned. Seems to resemble some of the strident voices in this column who seem to know and condemn.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:32 AM By Jim
Concerned Catholic, we are not to condemn, but we are to admonish our brother.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:42 AM By Lisa T.
Roman Catholic Blog is also discussing this~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2008/03/san-francisco-a.html
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:54 AM By Joseph
Concerned Catholic: There's zero stone throwing in these postings. You are assuming the episode of the woman caught in adultery was a parable, and that Jesus was speaking metaphorically. It wasn't, and he wasn't. You are equating quite proper criticism of behavior with stoning someone to death.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:54 AM By Janek
Start with the Church of the Most Holy Redeemer, come on Archbishop give me a break can't have it both ways!
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:52 PM By Concerned Catholic
Jim, I agree we are to admonish our brother...Could you explain how angry raves against our bishops on an on-line chat accomplish that? There is more character assassination than admonishment going on here. The greatest commands are love of God and love of neighbor. The pursuit of orthodoxy, worthy as that is, does not supersede this! Admonish effectively, in person and with love!
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 3:58 PM By Concerned Catholic
Jim, I agree we are to admonish our brother...Could you explain how angry raves against our bishops on an on-line chat accomplish that? There is more character assassination than admonishment going on here. The greatest commands are love of God and love of neighbor. The pursuit of orthodoxy, worthy as that is, does not supersede this! Admonish effectively, in person and with love!
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:50 PM By Margie
Yes, get out those stones you faithful ones and start hurling them. Judgment day is coming in which case, you better start ducking as those stones you hurled at others come flying back at you.
Anyone hear of Divine Mercy?
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:03 PM By John L. Sillasen
Concerned Catholic, have you considered the possibility that those you criticize actually do know? Yes, and Jesus admonished His disciples; His Church comprises His Body and we are doing the same as He ... admonishing one another ... and obviously with a great love of doing so.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:39 PM By Dan Hunter
Concerned Catholic: Admonishing the Sinner and Instructing the ignorant are two of the Spiritual works of Mercy that Christ commands ALL of His followers to obey.
By obeying these two precepts we are showing God and our neighbor great Charity.
This is part of Divine Justice that is commanded of us by Almighty God.
God bless you.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:12 PM By Concerned Catholic
Dear John and Dan,
You aren't, in fact, admonishing the sinner. You are venting. If you were admonishing the sinner you wouldn't be doing it publicly, on-line. You'd be in an actual conversation with the person you were admonishing. One only goes public after actually addressing the person in question: "“If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother" Matt 18:15. If you, personally haven't done this, don't excuse yourselves for having progressed straight to verse 17, skipping v. 16 as well. This business of public humiliation, with only the thinnest self-excusing veneer of "admonishing" wouldn't fool a pagan, and shouldn't be acceptable to a God fearing and loving Catholic. I wish you only the best...and encourage you to a more profound consideration of what charitable admonishment means.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:08 PM By Laurette Elsberry
OK, Concerned Catholic, let's get into the real world. Have you ever tried to get a bishop to listen to you? Can you get past his gatekeepers? Have you ever written to him and received a letter in reply? If you did receive a reply was it free of insults and snide comments? Canon law requires that bishops listen to members of their flock. When a bishop cannot or will not get the message from you directly, as is usually the case now, then it is reasonable to use a public forum. And in that way, other readers will know that they are not alone in their efforts to correct the errors of today's bishops and maybe the bishops will be shamed into taking proper action.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:11 PM By Joe
About Brokeback Mountain. It was not pornography. It was a drama whose point of view was generally pro-gay, but it had some dramatically and psychologically sound points to make. The backgrounds of the two men became clear in the course of the film, and once those backgrounds are known, they are entirely consistent with the theories of Dr. Joseph Nicolosi regarding the factors that lead to Same-Sex Attractions. The men are not lionized for their duplicity to their wives. And the deepest love in the film is between Ennis and his daughters, where he really comes alive, and they have obvious affection for him. The movie is neither pornography or unrelenting propaganda for the gay agenda. I personally did not think it merited an outright condemnation from the Legion of Decency--or whatever the Bishops' film office is called nowadays. It is not for children, obviously, but then, neither is Citizen Kane.
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Posted Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:50 PM By John L. Sillasen
Concerned Catholic, what were you doing to admonish the sinners who perpetrated the child sex abuse? Were you going one on one in private? Did you ever read Daniel where he is shown in a vision the hidden room where the temple rulers and other important men displayed their pornography and carried on with perverted and abominable activities? Would you have gone to them one by one to admonish them in private so that they wouldn't be embarrassed? Lastly, Concerned Catholic, give an example of your consideration of the victims of abuse and injustice by your methods ... spun from Scripture. Post lastly, to your way of thinking, is being humiliated worse than eternity in Hell?
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14 AM By BJ
The Bible is our roadmap and eternal guide.
It cannot be altered to suit 'minorities' however 'loving' their relationships may claim to be.Alternative 'sexual orientations' and family structures have destroyed millions of lives and unleashed terrible physical and psychosocial 'dis -ease' in the world.
The Bible also teaches us to educate our children in the ways of the faith with ofcourse Love above all. It does not give any groups of whatever 'orientation' the right to reinterpret and forcibly 'teach' through legislation it's 'reinterpretations' of the acceptability of alternative human sexuality. It expressely tells us what is right and what is 'abomination', in both the Old and New Testaments. These are facts which cannot be 'spun' to suit modern society.
Love, Compassion, Tolerance is ofcourse the hallmark of true
Christianity.... that doesn't mean changing the basic tenets of God's Laws to 'accomodate' those who insist that God's Laws are not for 'today's world'. With Love, Tolerance and Compassion people must be told that certain behaviour is not the way of Christ, or Christians and can never be made by force of 'legislation' acceptable to Christ.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:27 AM By Jim
Concerned Catholic, how do you know some of these people have not first done it privately? You are assuming so.1 Tim 5:20
20] “As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:35 AM By Jim
Concerned Catholic, are you admonishing John and Dan? Have you spoken to them first privately before you did so?
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:50 AM By Jim
Concerned Catholic, I see nothing in John or Dan's notes that are venting. Sorry, I just don't buy your characterization. The Bishops actions have been well documented in various forms. A standard pro-homosex tactic is to silence opposition by saying 'don't judge'. I do pray tha Vatican will do something about the situation.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:45 AM By Lisa T.
Concerned Catholic, I have called the diocese of San Francisco three times and left messages for the bishop. I called about a month ago to complain about Most Holy Redeemer parish renting out their parish hall to S&M groups and to report a video I had seen of various S&M events held at MHR parish hall. The receptionist recommended that I call MHR to lodge my complaints and concerns there and she went on to say that everyone who was complaining about MHR were mean people.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:46 AM By Dan Hunter
Concerned Catholic,
How could teaching the truth to someone, who embraces homosexuality, as the Church teaches it, possibly be misconstrued as venting?
If you define "venting" as my sincere hope that Vincent turns away from homosexuality and is converted to the Church, then yes I am" venting."
If you define "venting" as my sincere concern for the eternal salvation of Vincents and all mens souls, then yes it is "venting".
I as a Catholic, a member of the visible and only Church that Christ established am obliged to speak the truth "in season and out of season", and part of that truth is admonishing the sinner and instructing the ignorant.
Since I live thousands of miles away from you and Vincent, the only way I can do this is in direct response to you through the internet.
I am not trying to fool a "pagan" or anyone for that matter.
I am trying to help a fellow man who is created in the image and likeness of God, to gain eternal salvation and not eternal damnation.
I encourage you to do the same and I pray for your salvation as well.
Ut Prosim.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:27 AM By Concerned Catholic
Sorry...I don't buy it. Online rants are not admonishments. In one column after another of the "California Catholic Daily" one finds uncharitable character assassinations of our bishops and other leaders by people who feel competent to judge others, when the Lord restricts judgment to himself. I expect this kind of behavior from non-believers, but am appalled to read it from people who claim to be followers of our Lord, Jesus Christ, whose angriest comments were against hypocrites who judged others. From the Sermon on the Mount: "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye. (Matt 7:1-5).
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:48 AM By Joseph
Concerned Catholic: met with the Archbishop (s) in private? Go here for some dates: http://www.sanfrancisco-catholic.com/meriwether.htm
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:23 AM By Jim
Concerned Catholic, although there are some rants on this website, there are also many people genuinely defending the faith. Do you agree?. Primarily, it is discussion concerning the idea of active homosexuality as something good rather than something immoral which is taking place. Many Catholics (not all) are simply defending Church teaching as it relates to active homosexuality. Some pro-homosexs seem to regard any cogent arguments supporting the teaching that active homosexuality is immoral as ‘judgmental’ and ‘hateful’. Do you agree with such pro-homosexs? Much (not all) of what goes on in this site is merely the preaching about judgments already made by God concerning active homosexuality and not personnal attacks. And much pro-homosex posting on this site is an effort to silence cogent arguments that undercut pro-homosex positions.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:49 AM By RR
Concerned Catholic: How many times do we as Catholics have to say that we do NOT judge the soul; we judge their ACTIONS. Only God judges their souls. We as Catholics do have to judge actions that we know are sinful and avoid them. So, stop with the judging line. It doesn't work. If by your thinking, we are judging, then what are you doing to us? I believe it's called judging. And yes, there are splinters and beams in our eyes, BUT, we try to obey God's laws as best as we humanly can.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:12 AM By Elizabeth
Lisa T.....
I have it on a pretty reliable source, that the AB does read the emails and hard copy letters.
So, that's what I do....
Let's flood him with email and letters when things come up!
And of course.....PRAY, PRAY, PRAY!!!!!
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:33 AM By Lisa T.
Dear Joseph, Were you one of the people who met with the Archbishop and if not do personally know any of the people who did and if you were the one of the people to meet with him how many others were with you and what was the Archbishop's response?
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:50 AM By Lisa T.
Dear Joseph,
Thank you very much for posting the web link. Most of these things I was aware of but there were of few things I wasn't aware of. It's all very disturbing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I think the diocese is so neck deep in this homosexual stuff it would take years maybe even decades to clean it up and I can't see how that would happen with the current bishop.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:26 PM By Dan Hunter
Concerned Catholic,
You confuse correcting sin and killing error with judging someones soul. Only Christ can see the innermost workings of the will.
But, "by their fruits ye shall know them" says Christ.
We can see sinful ways and we are obliged as Christian Catholics to admonish the sinner and instruct the ignorant.
Yes, even us laymen are called to do this.
So when Christ tells us to "Judge not lest ye be judged" we hear His condemnation of passing eternal sentence on someone, for only Christ has the authority to do that.
This is completely different than pointing out the blatant sinful ways in a man and instructing him to follow the path of Charity.
My comments are all directed towards my love for my fellow man who we are commanded to love for Gods sake.
I reserve judgement for the Judge, and I give admonition where it is needed, and that begins with myself and my own sinful ways.
God bless you.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:36 PM By Marie
I am astonished at all of the commenting posts on this one article. Personally I believe and stand by the centuries of Catholic teaching on abortion, gay-marriage and all other issues. If anyone doesn't agree with the Church teaching, perhaps its time to them to find another church to worship. The Ten Commandments still exist, homosexuality was condemned as evil even in the Bible. Even Protestants agree with that...at least those who are not liberal. I would like to state that all Catholics who are in favor of homosexual marrige have an agenda. It's personal gain, or guilt that they are dealing with. Just like most of the women with the aboration issue. Well, there's the Confessional for that, folks. Don't take it out on us everyday Catholics trying really hard, and it's not easy to make it to Heaven when we die. Let's not try to twist a vice into a virtue, OK? We have our policticans for that! And that goes for all the VERY liberal Catholics from California and around the world!Archbishop Niederauer needs to re-read his Catholic Cathecism, and get with the program!
A saddened ROMAN Catholic who is loyal to Pope Benedict XVI-Catholic until death!
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:25 PM By George Kadlec
San Francisco Archbishop George Niederauer appears to me to be heterodox which is probably the most dangerous to any Catholic faith. This kind of faith results in confusion and who is the author of confusion? I think we all know the answer to that.
I only follow those who are faithful to Rome and I don't believe most of the hierarchy in the United States is faithful to Rome. When a Bishop disagress with Rome it should send up a red flag immediately. God gave most people a rational mind, but, unfortunately, most people fail to use this God given gift and the public school system in this country along with many so called Catholic institutions have, it seems, destroyed the ability to use common sense.
Europe and Canada are in a state of apostacy and the U. S. is following the same path.
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Posted Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:28 PM By Elizabeth
Sorry, but I am confused!!!
What was the name of the group who had a meeting with AB Niederauer? Are they reputable?
And like Lisa T, I would like to know his response to what was brought up in conversation.
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Posted Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:35 PM By Lisa T.
Archbishop Niederauer can't claim ignorance about MHR, The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and the Interclub Fund meeting at MHR if Concerned Catholics have actually met with him about the situation.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I no longer think the Diocese of SF is neck deep in this homosexual stuff, the're eyeball deep.
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