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Published: December 10, 2009
California school district tramples parents
Alameda shows need to rescue children
 Editor: The following is a news release sent out December 9 by Randy Thomasson of Save California.com.
Tuesday night, December 8,over the protests of parents, the Alameda Unified School Board voted to keep and recraft its "Lesson 9" homosexuality-bisexuality-transsexuality curriculum.
The Dec. 8 vote was 4-1 to "retain Lesson 9 until a replacement that specifically addresses all six of the 'protected classes' is...adopted by the board." Read the blow-by-blow account of the school board meeting.
This means the preying on children to indoctrinate them into the unnatural and unhealthy LGBTQ ("lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or questioning") lifestyles is even worse now, and will become a more salable model for school districts near you. This is because Alameda school board members voted to hide the curriculum under a more expansive "anti-bullying" label that will continue to teach children that "LGBTQ" lifestyles are good, natural, and maybe even for them.
Alameda's attack on children and families comes a week after a judge, despite the arguments of pro-family attorneys, ruled that California law trumps a claim to parental rights in this situation. The judge ruled that parents cannot "opt out" their children from Alameda's pro-LGBTQ lifestyle curriculum. See the school district's triumphant Dec. 2 news release.
Grasp What This Means
1. Any government school district can push homosexuality-bisexuality-transsexuality curriculum on students. There is no California state law prohibiting this. All pro-family efforts to protect kid's minds have been and will continue to be defeated in Democrat-controlled committees of the California Legislature. "LBGTQ-friendly" curriculum is already taught to kids in San Francisco and Oakland. Now, with Alameda on board, it can easily spread to other California school districts (most of which are controlled by liberals or uncourageous conservatives) under the cover of "anti-bullying" curriculum. (See actual video clips of homosexuality-bisexuality-transsexuality indoctrination in Massachusetts.)
2. California school districts are more likely than ever to trump parental rights with immoral education: In a 1995 speech, Barack Obama's "Safe Schools" project leader, homosexual activist Kevin Jennings, explained how he successfully imposed homosexuality-bisexuality-transsexuality indoctrination by packaging it as "safety." This deception has been crushing moral standards in California public schools for several years now. Despite many U.S. Supreme Court rulings upholding the inherent right of parents to direct the upbringing and education of their children, SaveCalifornia.com has witnessed, over the last decade, the California Legislature passing law after law that either limit or eliminate parental rights in public schools.
3. School districts are already permitting student clubs and campus activities promoting homosexuality, bisexuality and transsexuality to other children: Public schools can and do hold lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender "diversity day," "week" and "month." Public schools can and many do permit the pro-"LGBTQ" "Day of Silence" every April. Public school districts must permit "Gay-Straight Alliance" clubs on high school and junior high campuses. We often hear other horror stories too.
4. Don't think this isn't happening your community? There are now 5 statewide California laws promoting homosexual, bisexual and transsexual lifestyles to children: Read what AB 537, SB 71, SB 777, AB 394 and SB 572 push on children as young as kindergarten.
5. Add to all this sexual indoctrination the other chronic problems of dumbed-down academics, terrible peer pressure, and anti-God political correctness in government schools.
Commit To Rescue Your Children And Grandchildren
It's hard to accept the fact that the schools most of us attended are no longer wholesome, and that while school buildings may be clean on the outside, they have been forever altered on the inside by bad laws and anti-family policies. It's heartbreaking to realize that children in California public schools can't escape from legislative mandates to indoctrinate them to support perverse lifestyles.
Let your shock, sadness and anger motivate you to rescue your children and grandchildren...save them from immoral "education" that will harm their minds, hearts, souls and bodies. By taking decisive action now, you can raise your sons and daughters, grandsons and granddaughters, to be good and virtuous, a shining generation that is devoted to God, family and country. Now, isn't that what every parent desires?
Sadly, the reality is your children and grandchildren will be immorally socialized and indoctrinated if left in the government school system. But, thank God, there is a solution. You can rescue your child by choosing to homeschool or enrolling with a solid church school. Unlike in Germany, state and federal laws in the USA still allow parents to decide what's best for their children.
SOLUTION #1: Find out how homeschooling is better than ever for parents who are concerned about what public schools are doing to their children. There are homeschool plans that even allow working parents or single parents to effectively homeschool, thus providing character training, academic excellence, and positive socialization with other homeschooled children. Truly, homeschooling is the best love and best education you can give your child.
SOLUTION #2: If homeschooling is truly not an option for parents or grandparents, the next best choice is solid, Bible-based church school. We recommend these kind of schools because their worldview is moral and protective of children.
Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:54 AM By Jerry Vandesic
"Public school districts must permit "Gay-Straight Alliance" clubs on high school and junior high campuses. "
I am surprised that you are opposed to the constitutional guarantee of freedom of association. Are you saying that people should not be able to form groups of their own choosing? I know that such prohibitions were common in Eastern European fascist dictatorships, but I don't think that we should be following their lead. Your idea is plain un-American.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:42 AM By Talitha Kumi
What IS unamerican is trampling the rights of parents.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:51 AM By Eric
Childhood is when people are forming who they are going to be for the rest of their lives. Is it any wonder why the homosexuals want to expose (your) children to these perversions as soon as they can? Pull (your) children out of these indoctrinization camps before it is too late; let these schools close due to a lack of funds and give (your) children a real education that does not include the poisoning of mind and soul.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:59 AM By VirgoPotens
The argument that homeschooled kids are not "adequately socialized" is indeed null. I used to worry about that....until I started having regular contact with homeschoolers. These kids are fantastic. They can relate to each other, they can relate to adults, and they're kind and patient with younger kids too. And I'm not even going to get into how academically well-formed they are....
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:00 AM By Marcy Muser
My heart is breaking for the children in California's public schools. They can't be opted out, and the curriculum won't be changed. So people in the LGBTQ community have the right to actively move in and recruit/prey on/mentally and emotionally rape these kids (and that's what much of this curriculum does).
I can only hope that Christian parents in California will wake up and get their kids out of those schools, no matter what the cost. I homeschool my own kids (not in CA), and as the school systems get worse, and textbook companies write their books for California schools, I will continue to do so. My kids' innocence is worth a great deal to me; I do expose them to the real world, but I do it when they are ready, not when some school official decides I should.
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date. I will be praying for California's families.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:02 AM By Dave
Public schools are now controlled by GLAAD. What a travesty. This is child abuse. just a step belo abortion.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:03 AM By RR
SACRIFICE AND HOMESCHOOL!
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:41 AM By MarkF
Yes, home school the kids but also vote these rats out of office. But the problem goes a lot deeper than just elected officials. They are the tip of the iceberg. The real damage is being done by radical bureaucrats who have worked their way into every sector of American society where there is no profit motive. You'll find them anywhere where real work is not done. You'll find them in libraries, public schools, universities, public TV and radio, our seminaries. They've wormed their way into our courts, our local, state and federal governments. The professions of history, literature, motion pictures, philosophy, psychology and psychiatry have been taken over by secular elites who are opposed to the family and to our faith. Last year when the Secular Messiah (may Allah have mercy on his soul) was elected I realized that what had happened was the crystalization and coalescence of many destructive trends in the US. All of the disparate radical ideas had come together in one man and in one movement. Many people didn't see that at the time. Now, with the possibility of government mandated abortion, with government rationing of health care to the elderly ("too old to live a happy life"), with the EPA's declaration that CO2 gas, a natural byproduct of life is a threat to the planet...well, maybe now it's becoming clear what's been going on silently in this country for too long. And yes this too, that homosexuals want to teach their philosophy to your kids and want to demonize any pro-life thought. What do we do? One thing is we can't go on voting for these tepid Republicans who only wish to tinker with the fringes of the radical establishment. We have to take apart the radical establishment. Defund the left. We need affirmative action for conservative ideas in the universities, courts, and government at the least.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:53 AM By Emily
These laws or policies are about creating safe space for all kids and for all tax paying citizens. The fact is there are children of LGBTQ parents who go to school and their parents pay the same taxes. Why does talking about gay parents hurt anyone. These groups or laws simply help educate all people that there are many different families out there. They help prevent hate crimes and protect all families including christian familes.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:56 AM By Barbara
TAKE YOUR KIDS AWAY FROM THEM! Parents can get excellent home school curricula from Our Lady of Victory school in Post Falls Idaho.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:27 AM By Dana
Can anyone with common sense or any morality at all defend having homosexual clubs in schools ? Why not have terrorist groups, pedophiles etc. unite? Why have any rules at all? Why have schools? Why bother getting up in the morning? With such shallow understanding as that of j.vandesick (sic) he thinks self-discipline and moral integrity are anti-American. And he's voting and perhaps even a father. EEEEK!
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:47 PM By ted
Let your legislator know that you won't vote for him or her unless he or she supporst and sponsors changes to the law that will permit parents to opt their kids out of this indoctrination. Threaten to campaign against them, publicize the threat. It's obvious that all the hand wringing and complaining won't work. Remember their number one goal is re-election. Make that depend on change. YOU have the power if you're willing to get away from the television and use it.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:03 PM By Abeca Christian
RR I understand your recommendations to home school, I do admit, it can be very hard too, not everyone has the gifts and graces to do it and some struggle even more so than others, wish there were more choices for parents. Still even with that, homeschooling is still the best option considering this situation for this school. I hope that more support arises from this situation to help parents make better choices for their students. The schools in California are truly in trouble even more so now and they suffer greatly in helping kids excel and now they force agenda's on these kids.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:08 PM By Tom P
How depraved must public schooling become before parents pull their children out of these cesspools called public schools? If Mahony hadn't ordained so many pedophile priests, the hundreds of millions of Church $$ paid out to their victims could have provided private education for ALL Catholic children.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:14 PM By Mark from PA
Boy, some of these people really hate gay people. It is sad that they feel that their kids can't be in a public school as they don't want them to come it contact with gay teachers or gay students. It saddens me that some people have such hatred for people that are different. I don't really know why the editors posted this story though because it doesn't have anything to do with Catholic news.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:24 PM By MarkF
Emily, personally I would prefer that the truth be taught to older kids about homosexuality, the truth of how dangerous it, how it is associated with instability, child sex abuse, AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, how homosexuals have a super high rate of alcoholism and drug abuse and how in no country on earth are these problems getting better - no matter how much acceptance is given by society. But no, this will not be allowed by the thought police - not at this time at least. Why? Because part of the active homosexual condition is self-hatred. Self-hated of such magnitude and strength that most active homosexuals cannot hear one word that is not total praise without one of two things happening. One is that the truth will produce a downward, even suicidal spiral. The other reaction is that such a person will attack the messenger, and I mean attack, all to silence the internal critic. Most homosexuals - and I was one for thirty years - are not ready to accept the truth without getting suicidal or belligerent. The real truth is that it is a sin, but not really that different from most other sins. But the psychological damage that has produced the homosexuality in the first place will not allow any criticism.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:32 PM By The Truth Hurts.
Mark from PA, What do you mean that this story has nothing to do with Catholic News? Boy, do some of these dissenting posters really hate the thought of keeping children innocent.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:22 PM By RR
Abeca Christian: Yes, homeschooling is hard at times. So is sending your children to a public school. You get the graces and gifts you need to homeschool from the Sacrament of Matrimony. I know you know that. I know God has given me the gift and graces I need to homeschool from the Sacrament of Marriage. I know I was given the gift of patience because before I homeschooled I wasn't a very patient person. Anyone can do it wether they think they can or not. Some are not willing to sacrifice to homeschool. People say they don't have time. Yes you do. You make an effort and you sacrifice your personal time. I know a lot of woman work. That is no excuse. You make an effort to find the time. It really doesn't take that long during the day to homeschool. I do two kids, 6th and 4th grade and we start at 8:00 and we are usually done at 10:30 or 11:00 A.M. We do the 3 r's and much more in that time. We also have Fridays and weekends off. If for some reason we can't get our work done during the day or during the week we will have to do it on the weekends or evenings. At times I am very busy and my husband will do them at night. That's what is awesome about homeschooling. You can do it whenever it is convenient for you. And you also do not have to be a scholar. I have only a high school diploma and two years of college under my belt and I have no trouble. So, people out there you can homeschool and you will love the flexibility you have with your time. Give it an honest effort and try. You won't regret it. You are also given a special gift from God of bonding with your kids. One on one. Nothing better. It's not all roses. There are occassional struggles, but the good times FAR out-weigh the struggles. Any homeschooler will tell you that. I feel very bad for the children and schools in California. It's kind-of hitting Illinois where I live to. Nowhere near as bad as California, but getting worse all the time. God help us all!
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:42 PM By JLS
PA, you seem dense to the fact that gay people brought down the total destruction of two majore cities and many towns and villages near them. Do you love gay people in light of this truth? Look at it this way: God loves the person and not the sin, but He destroyed thousands of persons for their sin ... How can that be, PA?
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:57 PM By Greg Knotts
Thank you for the thoughtful editorial. Although I do not agree with your premise that education about people in the 'protected classes' is somehow anti-family, I am always intrigued to read comments from people with this kind of thinking. I do agree that California's schools have challenges, not the least of which is that per-pupil spending is 1/5th of the spending on incarcerated prisoners in CA. This seems a more pressing concern than educating about people in the 'protected classes.'
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:56 PM By simone_dubois
Never forget they cannot reproduce on their own. They must indoctrinate and they hate anyone who wants to provide a truly safe environment for all children. They hate Him and they hate us.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:59 PM By Bayne MacGregor
I was repeatedly physically assaulted in a Catholic School. For being academic! For not liking sports! for not being 'man' enough.
The schools solution was to try and insist i hide my academic schools pretend to like sport and be more masculine. To bear false witness!
How was that Moral? It was not moral! It was immoral, unethical and contrary to the words of Christ!
The Catholic Church OWES the next generation more safety than they provided me with. Or those who faced far worse than just violent bullying.
Love thy neighbour. Turn the other cheek. Do unto others. Oppress not a stranger. Maybe some folk need to re-read the Bible where it teaches how to treat others who are different! With kindness and respect and not objecting to their equality or imposing your rules over them.
Everyones kids need to be taught to treat gay kids and transgender kids with as much respect as they themselves would like not a drop more and not a drop less. Clearly a lot of adults also have forgotten what Jesus said.
People of such weak faith they need to hide the reality of other viewpoints from their children because they fear the word of god is so weak that mere exposure to other ideas will lose them forever! Who think that its ok to continue to allow the bullying of kids in school to protect their kids from an idea apparently so much more powerful than the bible that being near it at all will destroy their faith!
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 5:46 AM By St. Christopher
"Mark from PA": The story has nothing to do with "hating gay people". The curriculum at issue is pure indoctrination into sexual attitudes and mores of a lifestyle that, if it is to exist at all, must be elective among consenting adults, not foisted on innocent children. These school boards are vile. And your comments do nothing but provide shelter to advocates of homosexual behavior being taught, rather than basic educational objectives of reading, writing, arithmetic, and the like (much of which CA students now do worse than those in most other states). This curriculum has no place in public schools.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 6:48 AM By Eric Potter MD
Good morning,
I am thankful for those who are willing to stand up and speak truth. I am saddened by those comments who see through either rose colored glasses or have been decieved by the culture.
For those who claim that conservatives or catholics hate gay people and have no reason to fear them, please look up the following topic which lays out the "1972 Gay Rights Agenda". This reveals the truth of what the Gay Rights Movement wants. 1972 Gay Rights Agenda
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It is true that Christians of any sort should teach their children to love those who are not like them and to tolerate differences of opinion. Christians should lead the way in demonstrating love. However, the educational programs which normalize gay behavior are condoning the behavior, not teaching tolerance. In fact, there is no tolerance for those who disagree with the behavior.
-- Finally, on a positive note, I am listing several organizations that are advocating for parental rights or are standing for Biblical family values in the political arena. These include:
Parental Rights.Org
Family Action Council
Salt and Light Council
Thank you for this article,
Sincerely,
Eric Potter MD
Tennessee Director for Parental Rights.Org
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 8:26 AM By Mrs. D
What is "un-American is the attack on morals, ethics and God in this Country as means to bring this Country down! Wild abuse of the first amendment, to suit their agenda....that is UN-AMERICAN! It's fraud and deceit to the nth degree!
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29 AM By Grisha
Truly, CATHOLIC SCHOOL is the best love and best education you can give your child.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 10:01 AM By Abeca Christian
Mark from PA you have a distorted view on us poor folks, you say we hate just because we don't want our kids indoctrinated to your gay liberal agenda's!! Get over it! The real haters are people like you who can't tolerate Christian morals! All you want to do is impose your gay propaganda on us who just want an education for our kids, not an indoctrination of what the "gay" agenda wants to see imposed on the people! We have got to stop giving these homosexuals special treatment! We give them dignity for their humanity but that is not enough now they want our children too! Give me a break!!! You want your lifestyle, fine, you have the free will but don't impose them on the people!
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 10:37 AM By Tom P
Hey Mark! Don't confuse disgust with "hate". What sodomites do is disgusting, and I don't want my kids to have any contact with them. But we don't "hate" sodomites.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 10:50 AM By Grisha
Bayne MacGregor: When did this happen? What order, if any, ran the school? I'm involved w/ several Catholic schools and I hope that kind of thing doesn't happen in this day and age.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 11:05 AM By Abeca Christian
RR I understand what you mean, I home school 2 of my 3 kids too and the 2 also attend an academy twice a week with physical activities. I admire you, you are an inspiration, I wish I had it more in me to fully feel less stressed about the daily homeschooling duties. I have the graces to persevere and I praise God for that. I did have health issues before and perhaps that makes it hard to get the homeschooling done properly but like you said that is better than sending our kids to these types of schools that promote nothing but evil at times. Sometimes kids get stuck with teachers that aren't really teaching well and lots of times they get left behind, at least at home curriculum, we moms can give them that extra attention and love they need to better learn, no one can do our job better. I also know that home schooling is not for everyone, some kids need that extra structure that a classroom can give, that is why I am for other support choices for parents who want to home school but need extra support so their child to excel. Not everyone has the money to pay for a tutor or such.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 6:35 PM By 1abqdad
Today's high school graduates do NOT even have an 8th grade education! The teachers "claim" that they do NOT have enough time to teach the basics! If this is true, where are the to find time for liberal social engineering proposed by humanists? I agree that home schooling is the present "band aid", and I took early retirement to home school my kids! (Well worth it!) The public schools will destroy a good catholic...and the heretic universities are even worse! (The heretic pseudo-catholic ones are by FAR the worst!) The solution? Everyone needs to STOP bowing to the PC police and start fighting for GOD! VOTE every democrat and less than "true" republican out of office! Yes, I can hear the complaints of the liberal, pseudo-Catholics out there claiming the all of the parties are the same. Those FOOLS need to look at the recent party platforms! The democratic platform is ANTI-Catholic on ALL of the 5 major "Catholic" issues (Grave sins), while the republicans are totally PRO-Catholic on those same issues! So, STOP playing games and get real about solutions! It is impossible to be a democrat (Support that heretic party) and be a Catholic! Look at ALL of the recent pro-death legislation...it was passed TOTALLY on "party-line" votes! So, don't EVEN try to claim that the democrats are "Christian", as the are NOT! They support the most vile forms of heresy imaginable! ALL of them! (Don't give me talk, look at the votes!) A vote for republicans is a vote for GOD!
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 6:45 PM By 1abqdad
HOMESCHOOLING HELP: There are many homeschooling associations now, including Catholic ones. I offer FREE tutoring in my area. (I have 3 engineering degrees and graduated #1 from Grad school at Stanford Engineering Dept...ME/NE.) There are always many semi-retired professionals that are willing to help home schoolers for free! (I am a single father of four and took early retirement from engineering research to school my children when I saw how horrible the curriculum at the private schools had become. (In New Mexico, they force the private schools to use the same books as the public schools!) ALL of my children started college after Freshman year IN HIGH SCHOOL and have 4.0 GPA's! (Engineering and medicine!) Our most important obligation is to raise our children catholic... We MUST do everything ;possible to ensure that this happens properly and that the teachings are orthodox. There is ONLY ONE way to ensure this...do it yourself! Yes, it was a HUGE sacrifice of $200,000 per year for me for 15 years, but it was worth it!
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Posted Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:20 AM By Mark from PA
Tom, I realize that most Catholics don't hate gay people, most are tolerant and accepting of them. But a small number do hate them. I remember when Fred Phelps and his followers protested at Matthew Shepard's funeral with their obscene signs. That surely was hatred. I don't know why some Catholics support fundamentalist Christians who despise gay people. Many of these sects teach that it is a sin to be a homosexual person. A lot of these groups dislike the Catholic Church but they will ingratiate themselves to Catholics in the hopes of luring them out of the Catholic Church and into their sects. A lot of them send people to Latin America to convert people. It seems to me that they target Catholics and not Muslims or other non-Christians.
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Posted Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:35 PM By JLS
Pius XI observed in 1929, “And there is a country where the children are ... torn from the bosom of the family, to be formed (or, to speak more accurately, to be deformed and depraved) in godless schools ... to irreligion and hatred, according to the theories of advanced socialism; and thus is renewed ... the slaughter of the Innocents.”[
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Posted Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:43 PM By JLS
It took me decades to realize that I was continually being attacked by those who did not like my intellect. Why this took so long was perhaps in part due to the fact that I was physically strong, aggressive, continuously involved in hard sports and hard physical activities, inclined to fight when necessary, able to swagger which can avert attacks, served in the USMCR, and so forth. So I defended my intellectual capabilities by physical prowess. But that was not sufficient. I had no intellectual training or education to prepare me for such hostility. And thus I was often mislead intellectually. Perhaps it was instinct or both that and early discipline that instilled the reactive quality of "if you fall off your horse, get back on it immediately". I see many who do not, but just lie there dying like Richard III, "A kingdom, a kingdom, a kingdom for a horse".
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Posted Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:48 PM By JLS
There are also stupid parents. I had a neighbor of six years before he committed suicide. His poor parents put him in a Catholic school down the street, at an early age. Whenever he could not read what the nun wrote on the board, in first grade, she would slam him up against the wall repeatedly. He discovered way later that he was afflicted with dyslexia. His parents obviously were card carrying certifiable idiots to have allowed that brutality by a nun. She was never put on notice or arrested. That neighbor carried the apology with him to his death at age 50+ that it was not the nun's fault because in those days they didn't know about dyslexia. If I were a parent whose kid got that abuse, I'd have sent that nun to France and petitioned that she be guillotined, after being excommunicated for serving the devil.
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Posted Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:54 PM By JLS
Gregg Knotts, either you have done zero homework on the topic which you weigh in on, or you are feigning ignorance in order to mislead Catholics and other readers. Popes have long spoken on the topic of education, and have made it extremely clear as to what the enemy of the Church is doing ... and in specific detail. Why don't you do your research and then put forth an informed argument one way or the other. Just as with PA, Grisha, Maguire, what you are doing most likely ... time will tell ... is defending not the Church but the agenda, which includes the gay agenda, militated by anti-Christ factions.
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Posted Monday, December 14, 2009 10:55 AM By Mark from PA
JLS, I to tell you that in a class of 50 students we had a boy that was dyslexic and also a boy that was mildly retarded. The nuns were always kind to these two boys. They sometimes gave these boys other things to do if the work was too hard. In 4th Grade, the nun had me go to the back of the class and help the dyslexic boy with reading. Our 6th Grade teacher was tough enough to be in the USMC and she really got the work out of us but she never touched those 2 boys. In high school the teachers were always willing to help the slower kids.
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Posted Monday, December 14, 2009 4:53 PM By John F. Maguire
False, JLS: (1) My posts affirm procreation as the primary purpose of marriage (a position you claim is an "egregious error," though in no way does this traditional Pian teaching discount the secondary purposes of marriage, namely: (a) mutual affirmation and support between husband and wife and (b) mutual communication of sexual pleasure between husband and wife. Given the statistical ordination to procration as the primary purpose of marriage, a same-sex null-relation to procreation can never meet the definition of marriage in the fist place. (2) My posts affirm St. Paul's teaching on the "turpis" (the unseemliness) of the
conduct -- need I say -- to which St. Paul plainly refers.
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Posted Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:09 AM By Ski Ven
Since I'm just an average guy, I've never had problems with people disliking my intellect. I guess I'm blessed.
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Posted Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:17 AM By Grisha
Let me make a comment about Nuns. I went K-5 in Fresno under the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet. We had a boy "Buzzy" in my K-2 classes at St. Theresa's we had a boy who had Downs Syndrome. The sisters were very kind to him and insisted that we be as well. They were very progressive. I later joked that their motto was "Why discipline kids with a ruler when making them feel guilty works so much better?" We moved to Alhambra for 5th grade and had a different order. They were well meaning but just weren't as good as teachers than the CSJ's. I suspect that although Catholic schools are overall better than their public counterparts, the quality varies from diocese to diocese and from one religious order to another.
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Posted Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:11 PM By JLS
Maguire, you falsely accuse me of saying that marriage is an error. But you are yourself fractionating marriage. God told both Adam and Eve to go forth and populate the world. He did not tell them individually to procreate and be done with it, as you imply. Eve was created as the helpmate of Adam. The Bride of Christ is created to be with God forever, long after procreating the last baby. Maguire, the explanation as to why you were and are able to advocate Obama for the reduction of abortion is belied in every one of your posts, which is simply that you fractionate everything you discuss; ie, you divorce from reality the ideas you bring up -- this is scientism and you seem fixated on managing Catholic Doctrine by the use of scientism. I wonder what your stand on the papacy happens to be; let's see if you can hang yourself on your own words with your view.
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Posted Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:23 PM By JLS
PA, what you describe is the way I experienced it in public schools. I did witness one boy being hit with a solid stick one day, twice. This boy, about ready to graduate from high school was a large boy, approximately the size of a rhinocerous. He misbehaved. The p.e. teacher, who also was the wrestling coach, and shaped like a grizzly bear, had one of his a.k.'s fetch his paddle. This paddle was custom made for the purpose, and had three layers of wood, with large air friction reducing holes. I was a ping pong paddle on steroids. The boy dutifully assumed the position, with hands on knees. And 150 other boys gathered, crowded close in, laying odds and betting on whether he would give off even one tear, let alone burst into tears. We scrutinized his face, and especially his eyes ready to detect even the hint that he could not withstand the coming pain. Whap! Strike one, and the boy won ... no tearing. But it was a two strike penance and we all set up once again this time in preparation for the second strike. Whamo! Right on target. To this day, it is argued both ways, whether any extra moisture was emitted in the vicinity of that boy's eyelids. I think the concensus was that there was an observable welling of tear, but almost imperceptible. That boy won against the renowned might of that coach. But all were happy, and went our ways joyfully. The boy was able to hold his head up high and receive countless congratulations from everyone else. No doubt word got around to the girls on campus who then all had great things to say to him. The coach was also pleased, even though he had lost, because it was through his professional training that the boy was able to rise to such noble heights as to unwhincingly receive the most severe punishment possible in that school and live to tell about it.
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Posted Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:12 PM By Ski Ven
When I went to school, paddling was not a big deal. Some students, when given the choice between a paddling or a suspension, chose the former because it would not go on their record. To a boy in school, getting caught crying by your gender peers is a far worse fate than getting paddled. In fact, manfully enduring a paddling is a way for a boy to show that he is tough.
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