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Published: October 12, 2009
Homosexual Dance at University of San Diego
Not a Social or Mixer, a Full-on Dance
The following email was sent out on October 6 to the homosexual club (Pride) at the University of San Diego. Carmen Vazquez is the university vice president for student affairs. Monsignor Dillabough is the vice president for mission and ministry.
Dillabough has been on the short list of candidates for bishop of San Diego.
According to the USD Pride website, the dance took place on Friday, October 9, 8:00-11:00 p.m. in the SLP Courtyard.
“PRIDEsters:
 “I wanted to update you all on the meeting with VP Carmen Vazquez and Msgr. Dillabough regarding PRIDE that Steve and I had today. Not only are they willing to open up discussion, but we can have a DANCE, not a social or mixer, a full-on DANCE!!!! The University and administration support us and will continue to support us sponsoring a dance on-campus. This is a great step in the direction that we want to go, and we can talk about the details tomorrow night. We still want to continue the conversation about community and inclusion on campus.
“Don't forget about meeting tomorrow night at 7pm in SLP 418. We will be giving out FREE "Protect my pride" shirts, sponsored by AS and PRIDE. If you want a shirt, please be at the meeting! PRIDE members will get first pick of the two different color options.
“Again, thank you all for your support this past week. We got what we came for, and we couldn't have done it without all the help for outside groups.
“See you tomorrow night!
Sam”
Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 2:45 AM By Rick DeLano
Msgr. Dillabough continues to show himself a well-attuned candidate to the thinking of the short-list makers for Bishops in San Diego.
Notice how a potentially dangerous and polarizing situation for the Church is defused and re-directed through dialogue. PRIDE might make tyhings very nasty indeed for the Church in San Diego, but instead, thanks to the pastorally prudent approach of Msgr. Dillabough, they will be satisfied with a DANCE!
Consider the wisdom of our leaders, in identifying, supporting, nurturing, and ultimately ordaining into the fullness of Holy Orders, men such as Msgr. Dillabough.
If it were not for men like him, we might find ourselves in turmoil, facing battles on all fronts, accused of intolerance, bigotry, discrimination- waking up morning after morning to public relations disasters, and even perhaps unfavorable mention in the NewYork Times!
Certainly the lessons of Bishop Williamson have been learned well in San Diego, and the Church is in good hands, in no danger of surrendering its serene and prosperous advance due to ill-considered and divisive attempts on the part of some (no doubt less-than-short-listed) to preach the Catholic Gospel of salvation to sinners.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 4:35 AM By Richard Perozich
Homosexual behavior and promotion have no place at a Catholic institution. If we are to have real compassion for people who experience same sex attractions and in particular for those who have given over to it as a false identity and acting out in sex with others, then they need to be told the truth and not be deceived into thinking, in particular at a Catholic university that they can serve God and serve their sexual master.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 8:18 AM By observant
Sodomists do the same thing w truth and reality. Their words, as their deeds, are not to be believed.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 8:51 AM By Grisha
Richard: I don't understand the term "sexual master" but let me ask you, can a married couple who use birth control serve God in spite of thier "lifestyle?"
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 9:01 AM By Thomas Edward Miles
Who cares, you folks would have enjoyed the SS, they behaved in the same manner! Sounds as if you would support sending the homosexuals to their death in the gas chamber! WHAT'S WRONG HERE, if your lack of compassion is church teaching I'm going to become a democrat!!
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 10:17 AM By Life Lady
DeLano, proper PR is giving over to the fascist homosexual agenda. Political correctness does not make good pastoral posturing. It sends the wrong message, and gives the false impression that homosexual behavior, and pride in it is okay. It is not okay to have same sex attraction, which is a disorder of the lowest degree, and demeans the person and personhood of those trapped in its web. The problem is not with having the disorder, but ACTING within and upon that disorder. I can love my homosexual neighbor enough to let him or her know that their disorder is a false sense of pride in their persons, and that they need to turn away from it. That is not intolerance, but the properly placed love of a fellow Christian, who has compassion for my brother and sister, and who does not want to see them burn in hell for all eternity because they were obstinent in their disorder.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 10:20 AM By J. Healy
re Mr. DeLano's comment - it is precisely through men like Msgr. Dillabough that we the Church "find ourselves in turmoil, facing battles on all fronts, accused of intolerance, bigotry, discrimination". The teachings of the Catholic Church are very clear on this issue - homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity ... under no circumstances can they be approved. These young people are being led like lambs to the slaughter by the very establishment that should be safeguarding them and educating them in the truth. Pastoral attention should be given to these young people to eradicate the belief that living out a homosexual life in its fullness is morally acceptable. Let's see the good Monsignor fulfil his calling as vice president for Mission and Ministry by upholding the teachings of the Catholic Church.
Interesting that the group calls themselves "PRIDE" - one of the Seven Deadly Sins; maybe the Monsignor could talk about that!
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 10:21 AM By Adolfo R. Mercado
Congratulations to the students and the overall USD community for respecting the episcopal teaching in the pastoral letter published calling for full inclusion of our GLBT Catholics! Hatred or fear is not a Christian value.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 10:25 AM By Kevin
Thanks for this enlightening piece. This definitively rules out USD as a potential college option for my children. We have no desire to support an institution that is at odds with our Catholic faith -- and certainly don't want such an institution playing a role in our children's adult formation.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 11:07 AM By Anne T.
"The fear of the Lord is to hate evil. Pride, arrogance, the evil way and the perverse mouth I hate." Proverb's9:13. "But after he had become strong, he became proud to his own destruction and broke faith with the Lord." 2 Chronicles 28:16. "Pride goes before disaster, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverb 16:18. Satan's chief sin was the sin of the wrong kind of pride. We need to beware of pride, it can destroy us.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 11:16 AM By Mark from PA
This is just a dance. If people dislike gay people then just don't go. I realize that a lot of people don't like gays and want nothing to do with them so the gay students neeed to stay away from people like that. So what does a person do when someone finds them offensive? They should try to stay away from people that hate homosexuality and despise gay people. But people can't just shut themselves away because some people find them offensive. They need to associate with people who will accept them. I think it is good that the university can provide a safe place for its students, even students who are not accepted by everyone.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 11:59 AM By Panina
Would writing to the Bishop make any difference at all? How can we exert pressure against the promotion of homosexuality at our "Catholic" Universities? Should we mount a campaign that encourages people to stop donating to USC and to give instead to orthodox schools like St. Thomas Aquinas and Ave Maria? This is a very grave matter!
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 12:01 PM By Patrick
Might be politically the thing to do but it is a complete repudiation of Catholic doctrine.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 12:17 PM By Rosemary
USD (President Mary Lyons and Msgr. Daniel Dillabough) have consistent opposed having the loving, Catholic response embodied in the approved Catholic outreach to homosexuals and continue to promote an anti-Catholic gay agenda. Have they lost their Faith? Where is the Bishop when he should be overseeing the souls of those exposed to such hypocrisy? I would say we have a democratic, politically correct Church, the anti-Church, anti-Logos functioning here. If Msgr. Dillabough is on the "short-list", God help San Diego!!
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 12:18 PM By Johnny D.
To Kevin:
Thank God you saw this so your hate filled little kids won't be polluting our school! And to Panina, I will make sure to match the amount of money you pull out of USD (if you are actually contributing there) through a donation.
Peace, love, and unity to you all.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 12:34 PM By Elizabeth
Adolfo,
RESPECT AND LOVE, YES..........
BUT THE CHURCH IS NEVER TO CONDON SUCH WAYS OF LIFE!!!!
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 12:51 PM By Linda
Jesus said marriage is supposed to be between one MAN and one WOMAN. God made them MALE and FEMALE so they can be fruitful and multiply.
So why is this "Catholic" University now Pimping Perversion by allowing "gay" dances? Promoting homosexual and lesbian liasons at dances sounds like Satan working overtime to me!
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 2:41 PM By Mark from PA
To you people that want to send you children to orthodox schools where there aren't any gay people. What if one of your sons or daughters turns out to be gay? How would you feel then? How would you feel if your son or daughter was told that they had no place in a Catholic institution because of their sexual orientation?
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 4:53 PM By The Truth Hurts
Satan was the initial idea master and wearer of those pride tee shirts. He loves to tempt the lost, the confused, the weak and also those defiant toward God, to wear them proudly. Sadly, he is very successful today, even at our supposed to be Catholic Universities in seducing the victims hearts and minds and then their souls. The exact same technique certainly worked on Adam and Eve who also chose to listen to the devil instead of obeying God. They also used their gift of knowlege and free will to disobey God's Commands and wear their pride tee shirts that so pleased the serpent. We all know how they and mankind have suffered for that horrific choice.There are also very many pride tee shirts worn in hell. There are no humility tee shirts or obedience tee shirts toward God in hell. There are just those all tempting pride tee shirts that tragically draw people in, to copy Adam and Eve. They also foolishly think that they are smarter than God. There is nothing new under the sun. Almighty God in His Mercy allows us to use our free will. Which tee shirt do you want to face God with on your Judgement Day? Will it be the virtues of humility and obedience tee shirt or the foolish, foolish deadly sin of pride tee shirt? In the final apparition of October 13, 1917, Our Lady of Fatima identified herself as the Lady of the Rosary, again urging its daily recitation. Our Lady of Fatima said that more souls go to hell because of sins of the flesh. Our priests and Bishops must strive to remain pure, holy and obedient to the Magisterium.. They're primary concern should be the care of souls, not social actions which might include silence or sins of omission. The Pardon Prayer taught to the children by Our Lady of Fatima is "O My God, I believe, I adore, and I love you! And I beg pardon for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not trust, and do not love you.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 8:28 PM By Tom P
To you supporters of the sodomite club at USD: do you fully know what sodomites do to and with each other? Do you really think this execrable practice is pleasing to the Lord?
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 11:37 PM By Anne T.
This has nothing to do with homosexual orientation, but has to do with encouraging homosexual relationships and acts. Why else a "dance"? Universities, especially Catholic ones, should be for learning a decent profession. There is far too much partying going on in some of them, both heterosexual and homosexual.
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Posted Monday, October 12, 2009 11:45 PM By Anne T.
The Truth Hurts, you are right. People who wear pride tee shirts whether they say white pride, black pride, gay pride or any other kind of pride give me the creeps. Usually they have an excess of the wrong kind of pride.
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Posted Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:30 AM By Joan of El Cajon
With Bishop Brom's permission, USD fraudulently advertises itself as "Catholic." Withhold all financial support from USD, and tell others to do the same. Give your support instead to John Paul the Great University, which is truly Catholic.
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Posted Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:02 PM By Peter L.
Johnny D.: Do you know Kevin and his children? Why are you being so mean to them? Do you say that those who follows Christ are hate filled? Peace and Love can only be through following Christ and loving our brothers and sisters, by correcting them according to the commandments set by Christ so they too can have eternal life. Any other way is following the path to destruction. God bless.
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Posted Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:32 PM By Mark from PA
So if USD rids itself of all its gay students could it then be considered "Catholic"? How should it get rid of its gay students? Should they be kicked out or just made to feel unwelcome so they leave on their own? Would this satisfy all those that hate the homosexual orientation?
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Posted Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:42 PM By Mitch B.
The bishop was aware of this before it happened, so writing or calling him will do little for your cause. Remember, times change. At one point the word of God was used to enslave people.
Change is inevitable - the world is not constant.
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Posted Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:33 PM By MarkF
Anne T.,
Isn't the real question why the Church is doing two things, one, promoting this sort of thing that only leads to spiritual death, and two, not promoting a pro-life identity that includes solid Catholic teaching on life and sexual matters?
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Posted Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:44 PM By Mark from PA
I think the Catholic Church does promote the pro-life cause and we do have a pro-life identity. I have heard many pro-life sermons and prayers in church and our diocesan newspaper constantly has pro-life articles.
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Posted Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:00 PM By JLS
St Paul says that there are in the Church those "who used to practice homosexual behavior". The transition requires giving up the sin, and the desire for the sin, and giving up any identity with the sin. St Paul is saying that the Church is composed of repentant sinners, not sinners. Big distinction.
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Posted Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:23 PM By Anne T.
Yes, Mark F, that IS the real question. But drunkeness can do strange things to people. Why is any of this encouraged at a Catholic College? It is all right to have fun, but an excessive use of alcohol most often leads to lowered inhibitions and bad thinking and bad behavior.
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Posted Friday, October 16, 2009 2:56 PM By Mark from PA
Anne T, if this is a school sponsored dance, I would assume that no alcohol is being served or allowed at this dance. Since many college students are under the age of 21, serving alcohol at a school function would be against the law. You are correct that excessive use of alcohol often leads to lowered inhibitions and bad thinking and bad behavior. I am in total agreement with you here. The priest that taught me religion in high school gave alcohol to high school students and I think this was criminal. He thought that he was being cool but he was a disgrace.
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Posted Friday, October 16, 2009 4:36 PM By JLS
Mitch B., are you saying that you have evolved in your own lifetime and that others have not?
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Posted Monday, October 19, 2009 4:58 PM By Mitch B.
Hi JLS - sorry for not getting back sooner. I'm simply saying that our society will continuously change - as well as thoughts, beliefs and interpretations. While I am deeply religious, I personally believe religion and science do co-exist. As the homosexual minority enters the mainstream, and as evidence continually mounts in support of its being genetically influenced - I do not remain closed-minded. This reminds me of Galileo being persecuted by the Catholic Church for starting to disprove the geocentric solar system/universe.
I would also like to point out that USD is not an extension of the Catholic Church - they are a private institution. By allowing the dance to take place, they are not promoting homosexuality or premarital sex - they are simply living up to their own mission of inclusion and diversity.
Please do read the committee letters to the President regarding the matter - sandiego dot edu slash inclusion
"PABID believes that such a decision would be wholly consistent with USD’s mission statement, vision, and goals promoting inclusion and diversity as an integral part of its Roman Catholic identity and related values."
I am open to any and all comments about what I've written. I hope others will continue this dialogue, because I feel it is very important and relevant today more than ever.
Best,
Mitch.
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Posted Thursday, November 05, 2009 10:20 AM By abqdad
To all of the liberal nuts out there: So, are pedophiles now to be "tolerated"? God "made" them that way according to YOUR definition! (Your definition is total nonsense by the way!) How about rapists? Are they NOT simply giving in to their "desires"? Since when is sinful behavior to be "tolerated" and accepted as "normal"? I'm sorry, but the truth is the ONLY proper way for a Priest to proceed! "Diversity" does NOT include what the Bible CLEARLY identifies as SINFUL behavior! You are free to convert to humanism and follow man's political correct path, but you are NOT free to corrupt God's word! What this priest did was to promote blasphemy, which is a grave sin. For him to teach falsely is even a greater sin! It's that simple...NOT up to us to decide, as God has already decided and put it in writing!
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Posted Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:25 PM By gus
Compromise is the easy way out instead of standing for your beliefs. This whole homosexual movement is out to replace God and to destroy our church. Our catholic school leaders better be on guard to not be easily pursuaded to hold innocent school dances that encourage homosexual behavior. Because it may be a dance today, tomorrow it maybe something else....do not compromise your catholic identity...stand firm
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