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Traditionalists are right, sort of …

Beyond reaction to radicalism


Notes from a Cultural Madhouse

By Christopher Zehnder


Since the French Revolution, we in Western culture have tended to look on all political and social thought as lying along a continuum. We stretch the world of men on a rack that is marked “left,” “right,” and “center.” The “left” we call “liberal,” fond of change and oriented to that non-existence we call the “future.” The “right” is “conservative,” skeptical (leftists say “fearful”) of change, zealous to maintain the status quo, and preservative of the past. At least, so go the common stereotypes of both groups – which, like a lot of stereotypes, has in it a good deal of truth mixed with a fair amount of caricature.

Along this continuum, the traditionalist is thought to fall to the right of center, even to the right of right, if this were possible. If the garden-variety rightist does not like change, the traditionalist (it is thought) positively hates it. If the typical rightist wants to preserve the past, the traditionalist wants to resurrect it. To this way of thinking, the traditionalist is basically an antiquarian; but not the congenial sort that collects Ming vases or insists on period instruments in the performance of Bach. No, the political traditionalist is a dangerous fellow, a social Luddite who would take a brickbat to the machinery of progress. He is the enemy of life, a devotee of a static reality that no longer even exits, for it is past. Even his fellow rightists – the “conservatives” – don’t often like the traditionalist.

Unfortunately, many a traditionalist (though not every traditionalist) fits this stereotype all too well. Faced with the real horrors of modernity, he becomes merely reactionary. Like many of the powerless, the traditionalist erects around himself thick walls, bristling with defensive arms. If he makes any sorties outside his protective citadel, he behaves like a marauder, striking out at all and sundry, laying waste. He attacks not only the enemy, but even his friends and allies.

This is truly a shame, for the traditionalist, if not entirely correct in his convictions, is more correct than the progressives and, even, the so-called conservatives. For the traditionalist is often one who has tasted of a beauty which most moderns cannot even comprehend. The Catholic traditionalist, in particular, is often one who has discovered the rich and multi-faceted heritage of the Faith – not only its doctrines, but the liturgical, social, and political culture to which the Faith gave rise. The traditionalist is one who, having wandered into a garden at close of day, would arrest the progress of the sun so he can hold to that rapturous moment of discovery forever.

He is certainly better than the man who would see that garden laid waste, to make way, perhaps, for a strip mall or a parking lot. Such “progress,” the traditionalist knows, is mere destruction, and he would do whatever he can to halt that death.

Yet, it is here the traditionalist goes wrong. For, seeing the garden in the waning light, he cannot detect the weeds sprouting up among the flowers. He does not see the pests sucking the life out of the plants, or the subtle marks of disease. A man wandering into a garden is not the gardener who, having care for the plants, understands that, to keep the garden beautiful, one must prune the rank growth, cultivate and feed the soil.

Nor does the traditionalist often understand that growth and development is as natural to human customs and ideas as it is to plants. Life of whatever sort is a continually growing and developing thing. It is a vibrant thing that, when it ceases to grow, ceases to live. A living thing can never be static.

Tradition is, essentially, a living thing, for tradition is the life of man. It is the mind’s insight into a truth that is mystery – the mystery of God and His relations with man and all creation. At no one point in history does tradition fully grasp this mystery; and being a human thing, tradition is always susceptible to disease and rank growth. Tradition always stands in need of the skill of a gardener to guide its development, to cut away what is dangerous to its integrity, to feed its insights so that they are the more capable of penetrating into the reality that is their soil.

It is not enough for the traditionalist to be a conservative; he must be a radical. Like a good gardener, he must strive to understand the nature of the thing he cares for. Understanding its nature, he can discern whatever in it is harmful to its integrity. He can also cultivate it so that it develops into a stronger, healthier, and more fruitful being.

In this sense, the traditionalist is also a progressive, but not like those who are so called today. The modern progressive is like the man who, seeing a flourishing tree, cuts it down, saws it into planks, from which he builds some wretched tract house. The modern progressive kills and destroys in order to make something new. The traditionalist “progressive,” on the other hand, preserves what was and nurtures it so it can become more fully what it was meant to be.

The Catholic Church has always been at the same time conservative and progressive – even revolutionary. It has become a truism that doctrine develops; but it does not develop by contradicting past teaching – keeping, for instance, the forms and terminology of a doctrine but gutting them of their meaning, or simply replacing one teaching with a different one. Doctrine develops when believers come to a deeper understanding of the implications of a particular teaching.

An example of this is the teaching on the Eucharist. The Church has always taught that the bread and the cup become the Body and Blood of Christ. Yet, the Church has not, it seems, always adored the Eucharist. That it should be adored is an insight derived from contemplation on what it means for the Eucharist to be Christ. This has led to the practice of exposing the host and the special reverence shown for the tabernacle in churches. In no way do such practices contradict an earlier understanding of the Eucharist as spiritual nourishment; rather, they complement it. Furthermore, they perfect it. On the other hand, a renewed emphasis on the Eucharist as nourishment underlines the radical truth that we become one with what we adore; that, in receiving communion we partake of the Divine Nature. In turn, adoration of the Eucharist enhances our comprehension of the dignity of what we receive. It is not just any food for our souls we receive; we eat God.

Development occurs as well in customs, such as the liturgy. Though the past forty years have witnessed a destruction rather than a development of liturgical practices – turning the Mass liturgy, for instance, into a ritual utterly dissonant with traditional worship. Yet, this has not been historically the way of the Church – nor is it the way of the Church’s magisterium today. Recent liturgical documents from the Holy See are full of the Catholic sense that the traditional character of Catholic worship should not give way to its opposite. Rather, they indicate that a renewed sense of worship as a corporate act, involving clergy and laity, must not undermine the traditional expressions of the awe we should feel in the presence of the Mystery enacted on the altar. Both can be present. Both must be present.

Tradition, if it is to be fully itself, must be preservative of the past while being suffused with a spirit of reform and (though it might be jarring to traditionalist ears) renewal. It must be radical, revolutionary, willing at all times to cut away what is not truly of itself, and to grow and develop into what is its true self. Ecclesia semper reformanda, “the Church must always be reformed,” is not a phrase characterizing the modernist progressive, who only really acts to destroy and deform. Ecclesia semper reformanda is the watchword of the traditionalist, if he is not merely conservative and reactionary but one who seeks the preserve and protect the truth that is “handed down.”


READER COMMENTS

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:59 AM By Pablo
The watchword of traditionalists is: Suprema Lex Soli Solimarum: The Supreme Law is the Salvation of Souls. The sun raises everyday. The weather is not always the same each day, but we can be assured the sun shall raise. Change is from God. Change is good. We must not confuse depravity with change. “We must be inclusive of all lifestyles and sexual orientations at our Church!” The sin disguised as change brings to the Altar the perpetual indulgence demons that appeared before the Altar at Most Holy Redeemer Church. Or so called ‘Reverends’ that pretend to be in the Order of Melchezidek. People who claim their virtue knows this is a positive change are wrong. A protestant is still an enemy of Christ whether he is wearing a nun’s habit or a roman collar. People in favor of ‘change’ have brought to you the clown masses, Wicca ceremonies in Holy Mother Church, homosexual scandals, ad infinitum. Traditionalists have brought back, through 2.5 million Rosaries, the True Mass. The Holy Father not only allowed the True Mass, he also allowed proper Marriages, Baptisms, and so on in the correct rituals of the Church. He stomped the ‘Changes’ into the dust as the Holy Mother smashed the head of the serpent. The anti- traditionalist’s who wrote this article wrote a very anti Jesus Christ article. Christ is not our pal. He is our Lord and Saviour. He established the Magisterium and the Papacy to protect the Church against change, and people like you.

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:29 AM By Pablo
In my previous post I did not mention I am a Roman Catholic Baptised at birth, 1951, into the Church. I am not a Novus Ordoite, nor a trad; I am a Catholic. One who is fed up with the light in the head Modernist's, and the Holy Roller trads. Both of you are a pain in the neck to us who still believe a woman should be submissive to her husband, end of story, and the object of marriage is to have as many babies as God allows. Hundreds of times modernists at mass, have asked my wife, how she could allow me to get her pregnant so many times, or my personal favorite, " Don't you know where babies come from?".Trads are people who measure everyone according to their own personal virtue; modernist's have no virtue. We are asking God to grant us the Grace to have virtue. Heaven help us.

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:08 AM By Stephen
Nicely said, though the Latin translation is not accurate and appears to allow for a somewhat different meaning. Notably absent as the author explains each side, left-right-center, is the center. I'm not even sure how such a position would be defined by the author. A balance, taking a little from each side? Or something else. For me, I simply follow what the Church teaches. Currently teaches. In the past, I used to object to certain changes the Church made or rules it promulgated. In each instance, as I looked further, I found the Church was right, not me. There came a point when I said it is not productive to be concerned that the Church may be wrong somewhere. I will let Christ worry about that. He said He will always be with His Church. I believe Him. So the worry is off my shoulders. What IS on my shoulders is my responsibility to pray and to live life as God wants. That is often hard enough. Meanwhile, I admit to faith that our Church, even with occasional faults (often corrected years or centuries later), is still established by Christ and which I choose to be a part of. In that, I wish to join all others as the Body of Christ. Worry detracts from peace. Prayer leads to peace.

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 2:29 PM By John L. Sillasen
Pablo, how many kids do you have? Story: In my first year of Catholicism (1979) I worked for a private, conservative Catholic publishing company. One day I announced to the women in the large office area that I had started a new club called the Maximum Population Growth Club ... immediately all eyes were on me, and then all shifted to the window of our fifteenth floor of the building ... Well, at least it seemed as if all those eyes were giving me that hint.

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:40 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Such stereotyping of Traditionalist is really not warranted. Not all Traditionalist are the same; however the undeniable fact is that the Holy Father has admiitted that the Mass of St. Pius V was never abrogated! At the Traditional Masses you see large families lovingly accepted not ridiculed and they are very young families! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.com

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:04 PM By George
What was a Traditionalist prior to the French Revolution? Traditionalist is a misnomer. Ever since the Protestant Reformation and French Revolution the Catholic has been marginalized and criticized for maintaining the faith of the Apostles. Throughout the 18th, 19th, 20th and so far during the 21st century a Catholic has been characterized as backward, reactionary, antiquated, and yes, “traditionalist”. Catholics have been labeled by the term “traditionalist” as if this was some how bad. The fact is, while the world became less Catholic, the Catholic has maintained the faith. Maintaining the faith has made the Catholic look less and less modern. So it is the world that is wrong not the Catholic faith. It is the duty of the Catholic, in charity, to point out how modernity has detrimentally changed and negatively affected society. One of the most destructive changes came from within our own Catholic church, the destruction of the Mass and sacraments, of which, Luther, a modernist, would be happy. Other changes in society completely at odds with Catholicism are homosexual marriage, work on Sundays, pornography, blasphemy in the media, divorce to name a few. Is it reactionary to be against homosexual marriage? Yes, in today’s world, yes. I am proud to be a Catholic. Traditionalist is a misnomer. Catholics take heart in the faith of Jesus Christ.

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 6:09 PM By John L. Sillasen
Stephen, I wonder why the Church ever gets around to correcting Her faults. If it is direct intervention by God, then wouldn't it happen instantly? But it often, as you say, takes a long time. The laity being called to holiness, if a particular bishop is corrupt, then what do you do? Do you follow him into oblivion?

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 PM By John L. Sillasen
George, if you don't mind my saying so, your post is really well done. The argument and composition together are invincible. The type of logic is refreshing to read and ponder. Stephen, prayer also leads to action. Of course there are some who pray exclusive of action, and others who act according to the Holy Spirit ... Who, of course, responds to our prayer. It's a blessed circle of prayer and action.

Posted Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:37 PM By Puttss
Mr. Zehnder: I have studied your well constructed consideration on "Tradition". Thank you for the effort that it doubtlessly took to put such a piece together. I found only one part with which I did not agree, but that is normal, even in an expose (I still like to call it a teaching) as compelling as this one is. Keep up the good work.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 12:59 AM By rcfam
Mr. Zehnder, You write "An example of this is the teaching on the Eucharist. The Church has always taught that the bread and the cup become the Body and Blood of Christ." The cup does not become the Blood of Christ. The wine (containing a few drops of water) becomes the Blood of Christ.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 8:38 AM By Pablo
Thank you George. I have ten Children,Mr. Sillasen. George is speaking as all Catholics should these days. He is speaking like a man. He has been before the Blessed Sacrament, and has prayed his Holy Rosary. He has been spiritually fed by some good Sheppards. Those sheppards never abandoned the True Faith. God bless all who helped form you George. Please do not forget to pray for us all, George.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 9:45 AM By Christopher Zehnder
rcfam, The use of "cup" is a metonymy -- the naming of a thing by what is connected to it -- as when we refer to the king by the term "crown." St. Paul, relating in I Corinthians the words of Our Lord, used similar phraseology when he wrote "this chalice is the the new testament in my blood."

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 9:48 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Mr. Fisher, I indicated that not all traditionalists fit this description. However, enough of those calling themselves traditionalist I've met, do. On the whole, I think I was rather complementry towards traditionalists -- in many ways, they hold the key to true Church reform. This being so, pointing out traditionalist excesses is most warranted. And, being human, they have excesses.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 9:49 AM By Stephen
John, following a bishop into oblivion is not an option. Too many bishops today (and in the past) have themselves failed to follow Church teaching. The laity does not take a vow of obedience and, frankly, I don't expect clergy who take that vow to follow their bishop into schism. There is the expectation that bishops remain faithful to Church teaching. When they don't, our obligation remains to be faithful to the fundamental teachings of the Church. Even should a pope choose to go against long-established teaching (saying God is a woman, for example), it is not incumbent on us to follow him "into oblivion" and I will not do so. When I teach RCIA classes, I am clear to new Catholics to look to Church teaching in the Catechism and elsewhere in Church documents, not necessarily to listen to personal biases of the clergy, including bishops, should they appear to be at odds with the Church. We all have examples of that. As for the slowness of the Church to change, that has been its history since its inception. It didn't even get around to settling which books were part of the New Testament for centuries. Were Christians waiting for that? Or did they try to lead the life Christ came to give us. Need for corrections does not interfere with our own path of prayer and belief in our basic doctrines. God works in His own time, not in ours. In today's culture, that isn't fast enough. People want changes within their own lifetime. No, they want change within the next 24 months. Or less. Much less. Who's running things here? Us, or Jesus who, if I must remind people again, said He will be with His Church forever and that the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Our Lady says that prayer and fasting can work miracles. Perhaps more should consider that path rather than the political machinations of constant negative complaints about their own Church.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 4:09 PM By Maria C
If one trusts in the Lord, they will be open to life, whether our Lord gives them none, 3 or 10 children, they are all a blessings. God never changes, he was, is and continues to be the same Lord God Almighty, so why shouldn't we all seek to be pleasing to God. Follow the same God who started mankind and continues out of His love and mercy. Traditions handed down from our Lord, are traditions because they help us live this life well and help us with our everyday tasks and help us stay on the right track in Jesus.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 6:38 PM By John L. Sillasen
Stephen, now you make sense to me. One comment though, on your last point: Prayer and fasting versus "the political machinations of constant negative complaints about their own Church." Why have you polarized these two activities?

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 6:40 PM By Ann Cinquina
Our Lord was unorthodox, but he meshed traditional teachings with the kind of change that fulfilled conservative values worth having. He did not promote change for the sake of change nor did he tear down those wonderful laws of Moses which are the rock of our church. Keeping the commandments is the foundation of Christian beliefs.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 7:51 PM By JPeterman
Call me "traditionalist" or "conservative", If it needs definition, I just prefer to call my Catholicism Mother Angelica/Father Corapi Catholicism. If this makes me a "reactionary" than so be it. I have full confidence that my faith is correct and all else is "rubbish" as Saint Paul said.

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 10:03 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Chris, My comments were not directed just at you! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.com

Posted Monday, November 05, 2007 10:21 PM By Frank
There are practicing Catholics and non-Catholics. There is right and there is wrong. The truth is not some subjective average on the shifting sands of "left" and "right." The Faith is not some syncretic amalgam of palatable conveniences. Mr. Zehnder, you would do well to learn how the 15th century Kabbalist Rabbi Isaac Luria refined the use of "the pillar of severity" and "the pillar of mercy" in order to manipulate "the middle pillar" to his advantage. All those "traditional" and "liberal" appelations conceal the truth: There are practicing Catholics and non-Catholics. There is right and there is wrong. Don't fall into the rabbis' trap, Mr. Zehnder. The Faith is perennial, Mr. Zehnder, not evolutionary. You may get there yet.

Posted Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:54 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Frank, Truth is not an average. But our understanding of the truth may be deepened. My point in the essay was that any deepening of our understanding can not contradict past understandings. But that Church teaching develops is, I think, undeniable.

Posted Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:07 AM By Cher A. Prayer
A cheerful gift to this article’s author: A Prayer to obtain the Virtue of Humility. Source: The Raccolta, printed in 1957. O my glorious patron, St. Phillip, thou who wast so humble as to consider thyself a useless servant and unworthy of human praise but deserving the contempt of all, to such a degree as to renounce by every means the honors offered thee on numerous occasions by the Supreme Pontiffs themselves, thou seest what an exaggerated esteem I have for myself, how readily I judge and think ill of others, how ambitious I am even in well-doing, and how much I allow myself to be disturbed and influenced by the good or bad opinion which others entertain of me. Dear Saint, obtain for me a truly humble heart, so that I may rejoice at being despised, may feel no resentment at being overlooked, nor be unduly elated by praise, but rather let me seek to be great in the eyes of God alone. Our Father . . , Hail Mary . . , Glory Be . . .

Posted Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:18 PM By Maurice
Let's bring back the original Mass..........In Greek not Latin which was adopted 4 centuries later.

Posted Tuesday, November 06, 2007 7:15 PM By John L. Sillasen
Maurice, I wish you would do some serious study, instead of playing around with a few books or whatever you get scraps of information from. The original Mass was said in Aramaic. There are still some Aramaic language Masses said today ... by those in communion with the pope. Clue: Jesus spoke Aramaic, the lingua franca of the area. Hebrew was the formal language for the Jews there and then; Greek was the commercial language; Latin was the Roman language. Didn't you read my suggestion on a different thread perhaps, to read Justin Martyr's explanation of the Mass to the Roman Emperor? I think that was at the time of the third pope ... of course it was the form said in Rome. And, then, over in or near India where St Thomas (Doubting Thomas) is thought to have spread the Gospel ... you cannot imagine that they spoke anything but Hindi or Bengali or Malabar or whatever. Eventually the Church brought the outlying "corners" home to Constantinople and Rome, where She sits enthroned today. That is why they say that all roads lead to Rome.

Posted Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:45 PM By Doug
Part 1 of 8 Parts: To those of you whom have been blest with Our Heavenly Father’ Graces to be teetering on the fence whether to become a traditional Catholic or not, you’ve read Mr. Zehnder’s smug type-casting article from the view point of one whom doesn’t appear to have worn the shoes of those he critiques. This article shows bigotry, and it appears to be an open assault, inaccurate depiction of Traditional Roman Catholics (TRC) after balancing the Mr. Zehnder’s calumnies and compliments. Unfortunately without walking in a traditional Catholic’s shoes, how can one accurately describe and know what a traditional Catholic thinks, believes, and feels? Many TRC were Vatican 2 Catholics (V2C)!. I was for 20 years, as an altar boy, lecturer, choir musician and attended norvus ordo services weekly, sometimes daily. We TRC have worn both sets of shoes, been on each side of the fence, and happily keep our faith in the True Roman Catholic faith. We don’t feel we are better than our norvus ordo brothers and sisters, just blest with the true 7 Holy Sacraments. May the Holy Ghost help me here. We TRCs are not a cult or schism. TRCs come from all walks of life: rich and poor, old and young, healthy and ill, multiple races, and many nations. We are your friends and neighbors, not adversaries. Despite these differences what is truly amazing is that TRCs have the most important thing in common, we have the true Catholic faith etched in our hearts and do the best we can to make God the center of our lives daily. Its very heart-warming and reassuring to read another TRC’s blog describing the exact same matters and opinions of the true Catholic faith, the 7 Holy Sacraments; and viewpoints on the 10 Commandments, Catholic practices, and prayers -- we TRCs are one Apostolic and Catholic.

Posted Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:54 PM By Doug
Part 8 of 8 Parts: I am troubled to read Mr. Zehnder’s comment: “An example of this is the teaching on the Eucharist. The Church has always taught that the bread and the cup become the Body and Blood of Christ. Yet, the Church has not, it seems, always adored the Eucharist. That it should be adored is an insight derived from contemplation on what it means for the Eucharist to be Christ.” I’d sure like to know where you obtained your “credible source of information”, perhaps a modern V2C seminary? Prior to Vatican 2 the Roman Catholic Church used to have Benediction frequently. I haven’t heard of it being done in a V2 church in years. Although Moto Propio from the surface indicates that it is headed back to some of tradition, one only need go to the Vatican’s own Zenit.org website to read Motu Propio and the subsequent explanatory letters to the bishops and press reports to get the complete picture. Please read the English version in its entirety, you will see the offering of the TLM is not full and open to all, it is strictly regulated, in when, and how frequently it can be offered. Sorry to say, the local diocesan bishops have their thumbs unevenly on the regulator and have limited it to only a small percentage of parishes and at locations that cannot be compared to their novus ordo services. It remains to be seen what the future holds, for Benedict the XVIth wants to relook at the subject in three years. Is Moto Propio merely an TLM experiment? Oh Lord I am sorry if I have spoken in error. Pray that God’s Will be done. Pray for Holy Mother the Church. A TRC at peace.

Posted Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:40 PM By Christopher Zehnder
Doug,
I'm sorry, but California Catholic does not allow any more than two 1,500 character responses at any one time. You may, of course, respond as often as you like. But any one posting must not go beyond two boxes.

Of course I used type-casting in my essay. So do you in your responses, when you make general statements about traditionalists. As for "walking in a Traditional Catholic's shoes," I once characterized myself as a Traditional Catholic -- attending either the Tridentine Mass or Byzantine Divine Liturgy solely. I no longer, however, deem myself a part of the Traditionalist "movement," though I will defend the Tridentine Mass along with the tradition of the Catholic Church. I no longer like to add modifiers to Catholic; I want simply to be a Catholic, in line with the tradition of the Church, Eastern and Western, and the pope and the bishops in communion with him.

As for adoration of the Blessed Sacrament -- devotions such as Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament were not practiced before the Middle Ages. The Eastern Churches, at least the Byzantine, still do not have it. It is a development -- and, I think, a very good development.

TRCs I've known often complain about a lack of emphasis on sin in the "Novus Ordo Church" -- but react when someone criticizes TRCs. Are they free of fault? I think my criticism was a friendly one -- the criticism of one who supports the basic gist of Traditionalism but, at least, thinks he sees some dangerous excesses in the movement.

Posted Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:41 PM By Mac
True traditionalists can find irrefragable proof that Pius XII became a heretic and hence an anti-pope BEFORE John XXIII and that Mother Teresa was a "notorious apostate" by consulting the right blogs on the Internet. Enjoy! Things are worse than you thought.

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 8:15 AM By Fred H
Doug: "We don’t feel we are better than our norvus ordo brothers and sisters, just blest with the true 7 Holy Sacraments." Are you implying that the true sacraments don't exist for your Novus Ordo brothers and sisters? When I receive communion at a Novus Ordo Mass it's not the same body and blood of Christ as when I receive communition at a Tridentine Mass? I'll grant you this, it is consitently more reverent at a Tridentine Mass, but do you really believe the consecration is not valid at a Novus Ordo Mass? Please forgive me if I missenterpreted your comments. BTW, benediction has not disappeared from Novus Ordo entirely. I was at benediction just last night after Mass. You can find it at least weekly, but you have to look for it.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:10 AM By Kenneth M. Fisher
John, The Maronite Church still celebrates the Mass in Aramaic as do all Syriac Churches! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.com

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:40 PM By John L. Sillasen
Kenneth, I went to a funeral Mass at St John Maron Church in or near Placentia a decade ago. I don't recall what language it was celebrated in. I just remember the people, and trying to "see" something of their different (I'm trapped in anglo-saxonism) yet attractive culture.

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 5:50 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
John, As I understand it, the norm for the Maronite Church is Aramaic, but you will often find Maronite Masses in English or even both languages. My Maronite Parish is St. John Maron in Anaheim! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.com

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