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Published: October 15, 2007
“It allows me to live the life of Christ in fabulous make up and heels”
No mea culpas at Most Holy Redeemer: parish publishes thank-you note from member of group condemned in archbishop’s apology
 Just three days after Archbishop George Niederauer issued a public apology for giving communion to two “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence” at Most Holy Redeemer church in San Francisco, the parish bulletin published a thank-you note from a member of the “leading order of queer nuns” who attended the Mass.
The Oct. 14 parish bulletin contains the thank-you note on page 1, entitled “An Email from One of Those Attending Mass,” written by “Delta Goodhand,” listed on the web site of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence as “Sister Delta Goodhand.”
In the message, “Sister Delta Goodhand” writes:
To all the Folks at Most Holy Redeemer,
Just a quick note to recognize the wonderful Mass yesterday at your Church to welcome Archbishop Niederauer. Your entire congregation was so welcoming and it was great to be able to participate in the Mass. The service was absolutely beautiful and I know that I personally walked away very inspired by both the Archbishop’s message and the angelic voices of your choir ringing in my ears! Amazing!
Afterwards, one of the parishioners offered us a blue “MHRC: An Inclusive Catholic Church” pin that I was proud to wear through the Castro Fair. You are a wonderfully inclusive church!
In the “Meet the Sisters” section of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence web site, “Sister Delta Goodhand” says he became a “fully professed sister” in June 2007. He learned of the “order” after seeing other members at gay bars in San Francisco – “Sister Edith Myflesh” and later “Sister Roxanne Roles.”
“Sister Delta Goodhand” says in his profile, “…I am a gay Catholic. I find it unfortunate that so many people have not been able to understand or want to allow me to be a gay Catholic. Jesus told me himself he has no problem with my being gay.”
Why did he join the transvestite nuns that mock Catholicism? “My personal calling as a Sister is actually a beautiful manifestation of my Catholic faith,” he says. “It allows me to keep God ever-present in my life and ultimately, live the life of Christ... in fabulous make up and heels, of course!”
In an Oct. 11 apology issued by Archbishop Niederauer after he gave communion to two Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence at an Oct. 7 Mass, the archbishop condemns the group: “The manner of dress and public comportment of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence is deeply offensive to women religious and to the witness of holiness and Christian service that women religious have offered to the Church and to the world for centuries,” said the archbishop. “The citizens of San Francisco have ample reason to be grateful to women religious for their unfailing support of those most in need, and to be deeply offended when that service is belittled so outrageously and offensively.”
A view obviously not shared at Most Holy Redeemer.
Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 4:27 AM By bruce
What utter mockery. This poor soul and the parish priest have a lot to answer before God.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 AM By John L. Sillasen
No doubt that parish bulletin is leather instead of paper. First they denigrate animals by misusing their skin, and now they're going after people by trying to get under theirs. That's what they did at Sodom that got them fried, made a lunch for God's angels.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 6:59 AM By Brett
Has Archbishop Niederauer lost all control in San Fran? What is going on up there? What a shame.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 7:55 AM By Wm
What he did is a mockery of our faith. It’s people like this Archbishop that have allowed pedophiles and homosexuals into the Church, and now all over the country parishes are paying outrageous amounts of money and possibly closing their church doors.Coincidence? I think not.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 8:41 AM By Laurette Elsberry
What institution would Satan like most to be destroyed? The Catholic Church. The Church in San Francisco is in its death throes.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 9:22 AM By justus
Is it a mockery if the intent was not to mock? As the letter clearly indicates, he did not intend to mock or belittle nuns, the service, or the congregation, despite how it has been characterized.
Also from Delta Goodhand's profile:
"having grown up in the faith, received many sacraments, seen the true Faith of devout Catholics and witnessed the absolute presence of the Holy Spirit, I am proud to be Catholic."
There sure is a lot of eagerness to throw stones out here.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 9:23 AM By EAS
"Mistake," eh? Other "mistakes: "In 1986, Niederauer wrote a letter to an Orange County judge asking that a priest convicted of 26 counts of felony child sexual abuse be spared prison time - the priest received no jail time for the offences. Niederauer wrote that the boys involved might have mistaken 'horsing around' for molestation. Niederauer later admitted that the letter had been a 'mistake.' (a copy of the letter is available here: http://www.bishop-accountability.org/docs/orange/andersen/or... )
In 2004, Archbishop Niederauer publicly opposed a Utah ballot initiative that constitutionally banned same-sex marriage because it included a ban on civil unions.
In 1996, as bishop of Salt Lake City, he helped form a coalition of religious leaders opposing the ban on high-school 'gay-straight alliances' proposed by the Utah legislature. In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle last year the then-incoming Archbishop praised the film Brokeback Mountain which had been condemned by pro-family groups as a dangerous homosexual propaganda film. Niederauer admitted to seeing the film and called it 'very powerful.' He added that 'one of the lessons (of the film) is the destructiveness of not being honest with yourself and not honest with other people and not being faithful, trying to live a double life.' (see coverage http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/feb/06021306.html )
When the Vatican proposed that homosexual men, practicing or not, should not be ordained to the priesthood, Archbishop Niederauer's spin on the document incorrectly took it only to mean that homosexuals, like heterosexuals, must be able to 'be able and willing to subordinate all relationships and conduct all relationships with others in a way that's compatible with a celibate lifestyle.'"
from http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101204.html
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 9:24 AM By Maria C
What a lost soul. Lets keep praying for their salvation. For the conversion of all sinners. See how the devil deceives people. That is why we should keep protesting when these abuses happen in the church because the church needs to save souls and bring them to the truth and repentance. Jesus is definitely the great physician but this gay man does not seem to want to be healed nor repent. It's all about feeling good for them. God help us. God have mercy.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 9:28 AM By rm
How about focussing on your own spirituality? Did Jesus tell you to be judgmental and nosy? You call that faith? You seem to have confused religion with hatred.... I feel very sorry for you.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 9:54 AM By Debbie
I'm surprised the road show hasn't featured Hillary, John Kerry, Rudy Gulianni or Rosie O'Donnell celebrating the Mass.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 10:04 AM By Dennis
Included in the same bulletin is this "Thank you"
"Street Fair
We would like to thank the Young Adult Group for staffing the parish information booth at the Castro Street fair. Thank you also to the Support Group for facilitating the parish’s presence in this neighborhood celebration." Do a google search with the phrase "Castro Street Fair" and see how they are using their young adult group
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 10:49 AM By Papamac
Justus and rm put a nice spin on the demonic goings on in San Fran, nice try. There is no eagerness to throw stones, there is an eagerness to live the Gospels and not let creeps like these so called sisters try to mock the mass. 11 of his Apostles died horrible deaths defending his teachings, thousands have been martyred standing up for his Gospels, some tend to over look these facts when they attack us for simply asking all people who wish to attend mass to do so with respect for the Eucharistic celebration. These satatic driven nut cases are a disgrace that have only the evil intentions of mocking Christianity, of course they are cheered on by this Arch Bishop, the so called Pastor along with the likes of the San Fran board of stupitvisors and her most high excelency Pelosi. Wonder when they will show up at a mosque to show their love for their god.', surely they want to show love to those who simply believe they should be beheaded because of their gay life style, send us pictures creepy sisters of evil. GOD BLESS, THESE PEOPLE NEED OUR PRAYERS, PRAY FOR THEM.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 11:02 AM By WB
Perhaps you think the Archbishop was "throwing stones" also when he said about these people. "The manner of dress and public comportment of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence is deeply offensive to women religious and to the witness of holiness and Christian service that women religious have offered to the Church and to the world for centuries." Apparently you think the Archbishop is filled with "hatred" also.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 11:03 AM By Jimmy Mac
I was there yesterday and saw your spy skulk out just after the homily. I notice that not one word was reported about what Fr. Steve had to say, or the response he received. I have decided to ask that this website be included in our regular prayers for the sick.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 11:32 AM By True Christian?
A true Christian loves unconditionally and will "judge not, lest you be judged". Whether you believe it or not, telling anyone that they are leading an inappropriate life is a judgement. How many of you out there spend countless volunteer hours improving your community and improving the lives of those in need? That's what Delta does. Look past the make-up and clothes and look at the selfless acts of kindness. If more people, Christian or not, spent as much time as Delta improving our world, we would be one happy nation!
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 11:37 AM By ELIZABETH
AS FAR AS JUDGING A PERSON....
WE ARE TO JUDGE THEIR 'ACTIONS'.
AND THIS WE ARE CALLED TO DO, ESPECIALLY IN THIS INSTANCE......
WHEN THE 'POOR SOUL' IN THE ARTICLE SAID THAT JESUS SAID IT WAS O.K. THAT HE WAS GAY....
HE FORGOT TO ADD: BUT NOT ACTING UPON IT!
WE ARE ALL CALLED TO LIVE CHASTE LIVES, THOSE OF US WHO ARE SINGLE AND HETEORSEXUAL OR HOMOSEXUAL.
THESE 'POOR SOULS' NEED MANY PRAYERS.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 12:27 PM By pablo
Voltaire decided to be an enemy of Christ and His Church. At his death, he died, ranting and raving as he was allowed to see the fires of hell that would soon consume him for eternity. The Priests who tried to make their way to his deathbed were kept away by his masonic 'friends'. These poor souls will never find salvation because their 'friends' who work in Holy Mother Church are actually mortal enemies of Christ. From the Archbishop, apparently, right down to the parish secretary who gladly took this lost soul's statement, right down to the guy that printed it. We are going to lose our blessings. Pray for the Pope and all his Priests and religious.
When the Novus Ordo came in, and I saw our Faithful Priests banished to rural parishes, and women put on the Altar to serve Mass, I knew we were going to Hell.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 1:49 PM By Donna
It's amazing how militant sodomites can be. They fight for justification, but it will never happen, because deep in their hearts there's that nagging suspicion that their lifestyle is wrong. Jesus said in Luke 12:51, "Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division." The battle for souls is raging! Stay close to Christ and you will win. If you don't, then you lose...forever...
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 2:27 PM By A. Catholic
A true Chrisitian does sit and watch their brothers and sisters commit heinous acts of crime against our Holy Father and then not do anything about it or even worse condone it. For although Almighty God is a just, forgiving, and loving God, He is the Judge and will punish those whom offend Him. It is better that these sinful homosexuals be corrected and amend their lives so they have a chance for Heaven now, than carry-on with their sinful live-styles which lead them into hell eternally. For you that do nothing or condone their sinful behavior, how can you think you are truly being their friend? Besides, you condoners will also be held accountable for your actions and in-actions. So will Mr. George Niederauer.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 3:43 PM By Jim
Concerning 'judging',
Some pro-homosexs seem to purposely blur the distinction between judging and admonishing.There are many places in Scripture that say we should admonish someone who’s behavior is putting their souls in danger In some Churches admonishing the sinner is considered a spiritual work of mercy. In the Old Testament, the death penalty prefigured eternal damnation. The context of Jesus’ most notable admonishing judging is one where a final determination of the woman’s soul was about to be made – she was about to be put to death for adultery. Jesus says we cannot make such a final determination. However, admonishing is a warning – not a final determination. Jesus, after admonishing the Jewish leaders not to judge the woman caught in adultery, also admonishes the woman and tells her to go and sin no more. Are you judging or admonishing people for what you call judging? If you were admonishing them, why is judging the only sin that can be admonished?
– Was John the Baptist judging or admonishing Herod for his adulterous-incestuous relationship? Was Paul judging or admonishing a church for tolerating the incestuous man in 1 Cor 5?
– How do you reconcile your understanding of judging with the many clear examples in Scripture where a man of God admonished someone, or with passages such as 2 Thess 3:14-15 or 1 Tim 5:20 ?
2 Thess 3:14-15
[14] If any one refuses to obey what we say in this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. [15] Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.
1 Tim 5:20
20] “As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.”
Jesus says we cannot make a final determination of a person’s soul. However, admonishing is a warning – not a final determination
Also, what some people describe as judging is merely the preaching about issues already judged by God.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 3:49 PM By Gerry Hunter
Two questions come to mind: How ever did that letter find its way into a parish bulletin? And what will the Archbishop and the Parish Priest be doing about it? (Alternatively, if the Parish Priest put it in or let it in, what will the Archbishop, if he is serious about teaching and witnessing to the Faith, be doing about the Parish Priest?)
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 4:46 PM By Jen
Sounds like MHR needs an excorcism!!!
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 5:29 PM By John L. Sillasen
You "judgment" people need to check your facts. Judgment is given by God; we're only telling you what it is, so that you can avoid it. First you spin the word, "gay", to mean sodomite; now you're spinning the word, "judge". I did not make it up; God says that sodomites go to Hell. No sugar coating on your lifestyle is going to save you from it; salvation is repenting from it.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 5:59 PM By JPeterman
If you see these sodomites attempt to get Holy Communion it is your DUTY as a faithful Catholic to block their way, throw your body down in front of these demons if you have to but BLOCK THEIR Way. Don't physically touch them but stand in front of them, join hands if you have to to stop these demons. They want to mock our Lord and mock us..Do your damndest to stop them. Let the priests and Bishop call the cops and drag you out of there if necessary.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 6:05 PM By jim in sf
Debbie - The road show to this event is regularly scheduled Living Sober fundraising drag shows that take place in MHR's parish hall. The sponsoring group is not the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, but the GLBT contingent of AA - Living Sober. Sexual innuendo and vulgarity drips from the performances and, in some recent show highlights, featured Miss Syphilis Diller and Peaches Christ bumping and grinding with leather sex toys. While the SPI get all of the media - because they seek the media - there are other scandalous and blasphemous "shows" happening in the Castro on Archdiocesan property with full knowledge and consent of the pastor. But I suppose that since publicity of these events doesn't make it out of the 'hood, it's OK. Boy, if the AB thought that those SPIs receiving communion were "oddly dressed", I wonder what he'd say about these "showgirls"!
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 6:34 PM By Stephanie
Just another example how things have gotten so bad in the church since Vatican II. It's not all that surprising. They administer the Holy Eucharist in the hand in a lot of churches, woman no longer wear veils in many churches, people dress immodestly in church, woman are allowed to give the Holy Eucharist...so what do you expect? Thank God I have a church that I can do to that had the Tridentine Mass and expects people to be modest and receive the Holy Eucharist on the tongue and where the priest stands at the ALTER facing our Lord, instead of at some table facing the people. There's many churches out there now like this. Hopefully more people will become insterested in the traditional ways, the way it was meant to be before Vatican II.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 7:06 PM By Al in Pacifica
I would just like to raise a question...would there be the same moral outrage expressed about a person in an adulterous relationship with no intention of changing approaching the altar at his/her parish every Sunday and receiving Holy Communion? Would there be the same moral outrage expressed by a person approaching the altar at his/her parish every Sunday with deeply-rooted prejudicial sentiments in his/her heart, and receiving Holy Communion every Sunday?
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 7:23 PM By Michael
True Christian? writes, "A true Christian loves unconditionally and will "judge not, lest you be judged". Whether you believe it or not, telling anyone that they are leading an inappropriate life is a judgement." You're darn right it's a judgement, which is exactly what a Christian is to do. And by the way, unconditional love does not preclude judging actions. This is exactly what God does.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 7:25 PM By Michael
Jimmy Mac says, "I have decided to ask that this website be included in our regular prayers for the sick." That's fine I suppose; I'm not sure God is hearing your prayers anyway.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 7:29 PM By Michael
True Christian says, "If more people, Christian or not, spent as much time as Delta improving our world, we would be one happy nation." I'm sorry, but if Delta's motto is to "Go and sin some more," he's not doing the world any good.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 8:37 PM By Denton Coyne
Don't matter if was just a mistake or not 'Sodom and gomorah' needs a new Bishop... DESPERATELY.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 9:43 PM By Nov Sr 3M
When did we become Transvesitis? What I find so ironic is, Jesus NEVER pointed fingers at people because they were different, he embraced them, but the catholic chruch sure points people if someone is different then themseves.
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Posted Monday, October 15, 2007 10:06 PM By Tom
After thinking about this a lot, doesn't this pastor deserve much of the scorn that we're heaping on the archbishop? While it seems obvious to me who these guys were, perhaps the bishop was caught by surprise and didn't want to create a scene. He did seem to hesitate to offer Communion to the first guy.
But the pastor had to have known who these folks were and let the archbishop walk right into this embarassment. The pastor should be disciplined severely!!!!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:05 AM By KaraLynn
To everyone who says "Do not judge" "He who is without sin cast the first stone", you conveniently leave out the part where Jesus says "Go and sin no more". Jesus never condoned sin.
I find it hilarious that this person claims that Jesus Himself told him it was not wrong to be gay. Funny, I see the exact opposite in the Gospels...
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:47 AM By Donald Gallagher
Blessings on the good sister of perpetual indulgence for her faith and love of our lord shall heal her and hker exaple to us all of that love can set us free. May God bless her and continue to inspire her goodly work in this vail of tears.
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:04 AM By Peter
Come now, KaraLynn. You're just jealous that Jesus has never spoken directly to you. Maybe if you were a better Christian . . .?
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:44 AM By Michael
Sr 3M says, "What I find so ironic is, Jesus NEVER pointed fingers at people because they were different, he embraced them, but the catholic chruch sure points people if someone is different then themseves." What's ironic about admonishing the sinner? And if you believe that Jesus embraced everybody's behavior and lifestyle, then you have a very limited and truncated view of Jesus. Try reading the WHOLE of the gospel, not just your favorite parts. Jesus NEVER condoned people in their sin. BTW, the Catholic Church is universal, so what do you mean by 'different than themselves'? There are Catholics all over the world of every race and culture. You are confusing the issue here.
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:46 AM By Elizabeth
For all the people in the posts that are saying others are judgemental.....
We are called to judge 'actions'
Also, are not they judging us in turn??????
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:15 AM By Stephen
Dear Stephanie, The correct spelling for "alter" with regard to your usage is, Altar! When you have guest for dinner how would you like them eating with their back toward you, it would be very rude, that is the same reason the priest faces the people!!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:28 AM By Anselm
SF Catholicism is infected with the "Donald Duck Heresy" as coined by from the good Cardinal Pell - who hit the nail on the head with this excellent piece :
http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=82893
This is what we ask for in a bishop in defending the faith from those who seek to slander and spit upon the body of our Lord in the Eucharist. Pope BXVI reflected upon the primary call to his office - as the vicar of Christ - to protect the sanctity of Christ's body in the Eucharist.
Put in perspective from what we witness daily in SF and California we know we have many Donald Ducks amongst us
and the sanctity of the Eucharist is at large. Look at the trail of these bishops coming out of St. Johns in SoCal. Save the Eucharist - save the family -
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:35 AM By Ben
Church to Stephen: The Eucharist is not a average dinner party with invited guests as you grossly suggest. How about reducing it to a happy meal at McDonalds? Haberdashery my dear watson -protestantism run amuck
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:48 AM By Mike Abbuss
Stephen, nice try but once again the priest does not have his back to the people but is facing East with the people as they celebrate Holy Mass "with" the priest!!! If you ever read the Missal of 1962 it tell's you that the people celebrate the Mass with the priest and he is not ignoring them. Once again it's not about worshipping each other as the Novus Ordo does but worshipping Our Lord Jesus Christ!!!!! The Novus Ordo is a Broadway show production while the Traditional Latin Mass is the true Mass of Sacrifice where one is transported to Calvary with Our Lord!! Dominus Vobiscum p.s. Stephanie is right they have a "Table" while we have an "Altar" of Sacrifice!!!!!!!!!! Long live the Holy Father
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:53 AM By Justin Kleinberger
I thought this was a Roman Catholic site seems their are a alot of "HERETICS" in here!!!! Time for the return of the Holy Inquisition and clean up Holy Mother Church as Pope Benedict the 16th stated while still a Cardinal!!! Thank you Holy Father for the Moto Propio!!!!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:12 AM By Stephen
Ben, You missed the point, I don't even care for Mc Donalds, however, they do serve FISH and that should take you back to 1962!!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:40 AM By N.
Sodomy is a sin, and they taking the Eucharist dressed in drag is a mockery of 2,000 + years of our Christian faith. It's not the first time we've had to deal with hell-dwellers deliberately trying to make a shallow point. Turn to God and avoid these sodomites!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:55 PM By Joan
How could this Bishop give our Lord to those blasphemers.?Iknow we are to hate the sin but love the sinner. And we do pray for them,but this bishop needs to go.
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:51 PM By Stephen
Ben, You are part of the church but you are not the church! Thank the Lord!!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:51 PM By Dave
I read the letter from the liberal loving sister and found it to be full of love. No matter what one's opinion of homosexuality is, hers was the only loving comment that I've read in this whole mess .
You folks are in a huge rush to judgment. Jesus said in Matthew 7:1, "Judge not lest ye be judged." True, you have the standards of a church to try to hold up as best yo usee. But what you have done here is make yourselves first, and your church secondly, look like a bunch of hard core jerks.
Showing a little love to the sisters and others might go a long way toward converting people. The glaring sister-Mary with-the-metal-ruler-walking-up-and-down-the-classroom aisles-in-search-of-the-next-wrist-to-break does not work. It only makes you look more ridiculous than the sisters of PI can ever look in one of their parodies.
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:22 PM By Ted
You do not love the lord your God by giving holy communion to people making fun of you and God
The Archbishop should resign
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:28 PM By Lisa
Archbishop Tells Catholic Church to Remove Thank-you from Transvestite 'Sister' from Online Version of Bulletin
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101601.html
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:45 PM By Debbie
It was the lack of "judging" that got this archdiocese and MHR parish into the ugly, sordid scandal and national disgrace they have now found themselves in. Tell me, what do you people who champion the SPIs do when you come across a secular wrong, a pedophile molesting a child, someone stealing, etc.? Do you turn a blind eye to that, too? Are you "judging" a pedophile because he harms an innocent child? And yet you have no problem whatever lauding a childish, immoral, attention-seeking group of unholy men who arrogantly mock God Himself, at His own Mass and in His own Church, and not a one of you is willing to stand up and call a spade a spade and call it a wrong? "WE HAVE NO KING EXCEPT CEASAR" must ring a loud and personal bell with you all. Surely you must lament that you have no Pontius Pilate in his own clown outfit to come up for Holy Communion right along with your SPI heroes! Herod? Pilate? SPIs? What does it matter -- YOU TOLERATE. You would rather see your Savior put to death in that parish than to defend His honor, the true Church and its Faithful! You must be so proud -- pats on the butt and mouth-kisses all around, thorns for your Savior! Shame on each and every one of you!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:11 PM By Michael
Dave writes, "I read the letter from the liberal loving sister and found it to be full of love. No matter what one's opinion of homosexuality is, hers was the only loving comment that I've read in this whole mess." I'm sorry Dave, but the 'sister's' letter was full of something, but it certainly was not love. What a convoluted sort of reasoning...
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:45 PM By Greg
Catholics have got their noses high in the air. Try being a little less judgemental and alot more accepting.
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:48 PM By Happyin Sanfran
Whew! Such a clear division between the finger-wagging, indignant Mrs. Grundys and the loving, open folks with a sense of humor. I know whose eternity I'd rather go play in!
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:27 PM By simone dubois
The proper understanding of judgement here, Greg, True Christian, et al., is usurping God's role and condemning these people. It does not appear that anyone has judged and condemned these people. It is very appropriate to judge behavior though. If a KKK or neo-nazi member came to Mass dressed up in their costumes and attempted to receive Holy Communion do you really believe it would have been allowed? If it was, would you still be saying don't judge them, don't judge them? I suspect not.
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:41 PM By incandescent
I think the archbishop handled the matter well. he made the choice to not allow these FREAKS to disrupt the service because ultimately it his about Christ and not these offenders of the church I say sue them for invading public property and show them how God operates on earth. I however would have splashed some holy water on them and and casted out those spirits in the name of Jesus...our fight is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities and powers of darkness...These sisters are given too much power by us when we allow them to divide the Body of Christ...
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Posted Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:44 PM By incandescent
Also, though Holy Communion is sacred it is not this act that we worship but our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I dont see the offense with the Archbishop but with those who partake in it with an unclean heart
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:43 AM By Tony
Did someone once say, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:48 AM By WB
There are many people for whom the term "The fear of the Lord" means absolutely nothing.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:55 AM By John L. Sillasen
Greg, with nose held high you can smell the devil a long way off.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:58 AM By John L. Sillasen
Happyin Sanfran: You should make the most of your eternity, as it won't last forever.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:38 AM By Grisha
Now, now Dave, Sister never broke a wrist, just bruised a few knuckles :-)
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:18 AM By ELIZABETH
I SAY 'RIGHT ON' SIMONE!!!!!!!!!!
BEAUTIFULLY SAID.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:00 PM By John L. Sillasen
As a public school brat, I could never understand why it was such a terrible thing for Catholic kids to get whacked with a ruler. Discipline and abuse are two different things, and each can be done with the same instrument and the same force.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:00 PM By Michael
Greg states, "Try being a little less judgemental and alot more accepting." That's funny - that's probably the same thing that the man from the Corinthian Church who was sleeping with his step-mother said about those who wanted to kick him out. "Try being a little less judgemental (about my sleeping with my step-mother) and alot more accepting (of my sleeping with my step-mother)." The epitome of asinine.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:02 PM By Cathleen
Please see the church bulleting from Most Holy Redeemer. Thank you for praying for our city San Francisco for we really really need your prayers. http://www.mhr.org/bulletin/2007/MHR101407.pdf
It doesn't appear that the aforementioned postings in the bulletin were in there. The two men that came and our archbishop just like us need to seek forgiveness and Trust in Jesus - there are lots of issues that we all work on each day that reflect highly on our call to loving and serving the poor. Let us make sure we try and do small things with great love, rely on our Saints to be praying for us and encouraging us in little ways to seek the common good and love God. Peace be with you all...again please see the link I sent someone is inciting anger and hatred and it needs to stop. Jesus is coming back and we need to prepare building in our gifts and virtues. May the spirit of the Lord reign and live in you!
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:07 PM By Michael
Tony states, "Did someone once say, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"" Yes, the same person who said that if a brother refuses fraternal correction (from you and then the church) he is to be treated as an outsider. Clearly, you need to understand the context. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" certainly does not mean to forego confronting a sinner and admonishing them to repent.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:02 PM By Michael
"http://www.mhr.org/bulletin/2007/MHR101407.pdf It doesn't appear that the aforementioned postings in the bulletin were in there." That's because it was supposedly removed from the online version after the archdiocese contacted the parish about it.
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Posted Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:10 PM By Mike G
Some of you are going to get your knickers in a bunch, but here goes - - From my experience that which one dislikes most in others is the same as that which one most dislikes in oneself. If you check, you may find a beam in your own eye. "Let he who is without..."
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Posted Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:36 AM By John L. Sillasen
Mike G, do you mean to tell those who criticize evil in others, that we are not pure as the driven snow? I guess, then, that we should all head on up to the nearest televangelist stage, get our foreheads whopped, fall over backwards, and come up healed not only of sin but of all its effects as well! That's dangerous, though, Mike G; last time I tried it, I was so filled with the light that those around me had to put on their sunglasses. So, maybe as you're suggesting, we all ought to shut up, and like Jesus says, then it will be the rocks on the ground that will speak up in condemnation of sinners.
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Posted Thursday, October 18, 2007 8:13 AM By Grisha
I can't help but think that CCD's hysterical overreaction to all this has been a major PR coup for the SPI. They're probably toasting you all at their convent .. wherever that is.
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Posted Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:04 AM By Jim
Unless active homosexuality is never mentioned as always being sinful, pro-homosexs will describe any postings, letters, etc as ‘hateful’. The Vatican released a statement on homosexuality not too long ago and at least one pro-homosex group described it as hateful.
One either has to ignore active homosexuality or applaud it under at least some circumstances in order not to be labeled as hateful. I suspect pro-homosexs will continue this until a hate speech law could be enacted in an attempt to silence any opposition to active homosexuality.
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Posted Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:05 PM By A. Catholic
Prior to going to Holy Communion each catholic should be prepared with a holy and pure mind. We should also come modestly and respectfully clothed in humility and respect to worship Almighty God, not anger Him with lewd or debauchery acts or dress appearance. Many good faithful catholics go to confession to be in the state of grace and prepared to receive Our Lord’s Body, Soul, and Divinity. Is it apparent that these drag queen homosexuals were in a state of grace to receive communion dressed in their gay pride costumes? Although we want to invite all to our catholic worship services, did not Our Lord also tell us of the Gospel parable of the man who was removed at the wedding feast because he did not come properly prepared with his wedding garment? (Clothing was not the only point here, but more importantly preparation by the state of grace in one’s soul as well.) Why didn’t the parish escort these drag queens out the door and instead tolerated their insulting manner to God? Was Archbishop Niederauer in a state of grace to see the difference to see the gay pride and insults to Almighty God? If so, why did he tolerate the homosexual behavior? A national TV show (the O’Reilley Factor) reported this wasn’t just the end of the evil, rather the drag queen(s) had also desecrated the Host. What is wrong with the modern magisterial and clergy in the Vatican II church? Why do we continue to hear these atrocities happening more frequently? May God forgive Archbishop Niederauer, and bless us with holy bishops and priests. God is with the faithful always, even until the end of time.
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Posted Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:34 PM By Michael
Mike G., you stated, "From my experience that which one dislikes most in others is the same as that which one most dislikes in oneself." Again, you have it backwards. From my experiance that which one dislikes about the justified criticism of another's behavior or actions is due to some need to rationalize their own behavior or actions.
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Posted Friday, October 19, 2007 10:22 AM By simone_dubois
Grisha, if you mean that we are praying for the homosexual men who dress up as women and call themselves names which they are not, inverting the truth and exchanging it for a lie, then yes this is a huge PR coup and maybe that is why God allows these "PR coups". Jesus said, "pray for your enemies and do good to those who harm you." we are called by this event...to pray more fervently for their souls and their conversions, as we do all enemies of Holy Mother Church, afterall Jesus came for sinners just like me and these souls need us to intercede and do battle for them since they cannot do it for themselves so embroiled in grave sin they are. Thank you for increasing my prayer for them. I pray these men will have a deep and radical conversion to Almighty God and submit their wills to Him who made them. I pray these men will abandon the demonic practice of inverting truth. God formed them in the womb as men, let not society confirm them in the delusion that God made a mistake. Let their temptations be abolished and they come to the true state of their being. Let them not mock Holy Mother Church or women religious Almighty God has called to give their lives to Him in the service of others. St. Michael, defend us in batlle.
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Posted Friday, October 19, 2007 4:31 PM By John L. Sillasen
Yeah, that pitch about people attacking others over what they fear or dislike most in themselves ... that's Freudianism, not Catholicism. When your mind is formed by schlock psychology, that's what you get, shallow, turned around, side tripped junk science. Freud was a hoodwinker.
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Posted Friday, October 19, 2007 10:21 PM By Lloyd Baltazar
That Archbishop needs our prayers. He needs to repent and realize the DANGER he is at by committing such a grievous sin. Shame on that homosexual individual who claims to be Catholic. He needs to understand the meaning of the word PENITENCE.
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Posted Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:05 PM By John L. Sillasen
I have realized that there is a further dimension to the situation. Suppose those two sodomites were demon possessed by powerful demons. Suppose the demonic power overcame the bishop's ability to see the obvious. This would actually release the bishop from culpability, and thus a sin. But it would indicate that the bishop needs to clean his slate; what I mean is that if a man is not spiritually prepared for demonic attacks, they'll be eaten for lunch ... and that pretty much is what happened to that bishop. The fact that he has catered to the indulgent nature of the sodomite community would suggest that his spiritual condition is no match for the devil. I think there is plenty of Church history to support this level of possibility.
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Posted Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:30 PM By JIMMIED
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS SOOOOOOOOO PASSE. EVERY CATHOLIC I KNOW HAS LEFT THE CHURCH EXCEPT FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WHO SI STILL A NUN
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Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:09 AM By Grisha
JIMMIED: God bless your sister and her order. When I see and hear some of the many bad things about the Church (Including the homophobic hate that often pops up here) I try to think of the nuns and all the good they do.
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Posted Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:38 PM By Michael
Homophobic hate? No, just a disgust with obstinate persistance in manifest grave sin. Big difference.
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