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Published: November 10, 2008
‘Top 10 Catholic states’
States with highest percentage of Catholics voted overwhelmingly for Obama, including California
Three days before the Nov. 4 General Election, at the request of the news media, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a statistical table showing the number of Catholics in each of the 50 states as a percentage of each state’s population. Using that data, California Catholic Daily took a look at how the nation’s ‘most Catholic states’ voted in the presidential race. Of the 10 states with the largest percentage of Catholics in the general population, all voted for Sen. Barack Obama -- and most by overwhelming margins.
 According to the bishops’ statistics, the ‘most Catholic’ state in the union is Rhode Island, where Catholics make up 59.5% of the population. Obama received 63% of the vote in Rhode Island.
Second on the list was Massachusetts, where Catholics comprise 42% of the state’s population. Massachusetts residents gave Obama 62% of their votes.
New Jersey, where Catholics make up 41% of the general population, voted 57% in favor of Obama.
New York was fourth on the list, with Catholics comprising 37.1% of the population. New Yorkers voted 62% for Obama.
The fifth ‘most Catholic state’ in the U.S., according to the bishops’ statistics, is Connecticut, with a Catholic population of 36.6%. Obama received 60.2% of the vote in Connecticut.
Sixth on the list was Nevada, where 32.3% of the population is Catholic. Nevadans voted 55% for Obama.
In Illinois, Catholics make up 30.1% of the state’s population. Residents there gave Obama 62% of their votes.
Catholics comprise 29.7% of the population of Delaware, where Obama received 62% of the vote.
In Wisconsin, Catholics are 29.5% of the overall state population. There Obama received 56% of the vote.
Rounding out the ‘10 most Catholic states’ is California, where the bishops’ statistics say 28.6% of the state’s residents are Catholic. Californians gave Obama 61% of their votes.
Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 4:24 AM By Ron
The states on this list and the "catholics" on this list should be very proud of themselves-- NOT!!!!!!!!! May God find it in his mercy to forgive them . Not that they probably care, but I forgive them. I also pledge to do everything I can to try to help them see the error of their ways. God Bless
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 5:05 AM By Proconsul
Goes to show how little influence the Catholic Bishops conference has.Nice to see that most catholics are not a bunch of brainwashed morons and followed their consciences, the only place where God speaks to us.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 5:21 AM By Fr. M.P.
A great example of the great apostasy. Love of mammon over anything else.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 5:25 AM By St. Christopher
How is this surprising? Since Vatican II, most Catholics are that in name only. Very few Catholics understand much at all about their faith, or seem to care about their ignorance. I have spoken with many Catholics who voted for Obama, which they considered well within their "spiritual" rights to do. And, certainly, the Catholic bishops are -- as a body -- a scandal to the Church in their wishy-washy beliefs and temporizing statements about basic tenets of the faith, including homosexuality in the clergy (and its root cause of child molestation by such clergy), the sacraments, abortion, the liturgy, the papacy, the need for confession and redemption, and the like. Catholics, in general, do not let their religion get in the way of living their lives. Satan must be very happy.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:06 AM By Gregory
The liberal religous education forced upon innocent Catholic children by radical, habit-less, largely lesbian nuns and the priests who enable them has triumphed. Most Catholics today have no idea what their Church even stands for, including the duplicitous "Catholic" pro-abort politicians who wouldn't know what it meant to be in "state of grace" if you hit them in the head with a catechism.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:20 AM By central valley
Catholic in name only. Will anyone hold the bishops and priests responsable? Of course not.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:22 AM By e. taff
These people are no longer Catholic. They Exc, themselves from the church.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:25 AM By Ray'C55
Not unusual for the east coast. This si due to the failure of our bishops & priests not discussing abortion from the pulpit nor posting any formation in their Sunday bulletins. as my churches new pro-life rep iI find that I'm just a figure-head, selected so that our pastor can report to the diocese that he has a pro-life rep.As for the parishioners, abortion means nothing to them.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:28 AM By Ted
Some bishops spoke out forthrightly regarding the Church's position on voting for pro-abort candidates. The leadership they provided may encourage other bishops to do so in future elections. Encouraged by that leadership, perhaps priests will enhance this initiative with better, unequivocal catechesis regarding voter priorities in the future. The results were disappointing, to be sure, but we may see a turnaround in Catholic voter attitude when they hear the message and are convinced the bishops actually mean what they say.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:56 AM By Maryanne Leonard
How distressing to realize that our "most Catholic" states chose to vote in staggering proportions for the candidate with the most shocking record of voting against Catholic principles. Are our "Catholic" brothers and sisters really so taken with style as to fail to see the substance behind the glib words? Apparently, yes. I think we need to examine how to restrengthen our Catholic values . . . not in our land, but in our own community of believers. We need to stand up for the values we learned from Christ's teachings and His passion and death on the cross for our sins, as preserved for us and passed down to us through the teaching of the Church. We have to each look to ourselves for this massive failure of Catholic values and then work in community to be soldiers, intrepid in standing up for the truths we learned because God came to earth and walked among us to save us from our own distorted thinking and evil ways. If we let our society's dysfunction and sin seduce us away from our Catholic values, we are lost as individuals and as a society. Let us pray for the courage to be honest enough to look within and resolve to do better in the future by ourselves, by one another, by God and by our country.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 7:46 AM By Fr. John Peek
Prior to Vatican II Catholics supporting issues contrary to Catholic moral teaching would have been denied Holy Communion. There was zero tollerance for such. There has to be some reasonable questioning as to how Vatican II contributed to this current disaster.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 8:19 AM By ED
Are we surprised for the last 40+ years Catholics have been taught by the modernists that their "ALMIGHTY CONSCIENCE" takes precedence over JESUS's teachings. What a fool these folks are and they are walking straight into Hell and nobody cares!!!
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 8:35 AM By BJ
There is a difference between a 'tag' and the reality. Ask those'Catholic' voters how often they receive the sacraments and actually practice their religion and you would very likely have to register most of the 'Catholic voters' as being Catholic in name only...... and that is not the same thing.The lukewarm are the most difficult for Christ to forgive. They want it every way that suits themselves.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 8:48 AM By Laurette Elsberry
The institutional Catholic Church seems to be the backbone of the Culture of Death.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 8:54 AM By Rob
Congratulations US Catholic Bishops! You got your man Obama into the white house. Now prepare to reap the consequences.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 9:07 AM By Iggyman
I don't get it! How anyone can call themselves catholic and vote for pro choice canidate. There is no doubt in my mind the catholics in this country have lost there way. I believe it all starts with the lack of spiritual leadership and lack for grace from our lack of prayer life.
We have so called catholic policticians that are not being chastised firmly enough for there record on obortion. These sins will not go unpunished.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 9:17 AM By Julie
I live in Nevada. I have yet to hear one homily on why no Catholic in good conscience can vote for a pro-abortion candidate. I know that in the Reno area, there were workshops to discuss Faithful Citizenship. These workshops mostly amounted to consent to vote for Obama. After some discussion by pro-lifers with priests involved in these workshops, the workshops came into much better alignment with Church teaching. However, the damage had already been done and many Catholics had no qualms about voting for the most pro-death presidential candidate to ever run for the office.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 9:19 AM By Frank Munoz
This tells me that most Catholics don't know when life begins.
Or, they simply don't care. Where is the love and respect for
God's gift of life. Let us pray for our Church.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 9:22 AM By Craig
Has anybody seen any exit poll data regarding Catholic votes for such things as Props 8 and 4 and Obama?
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:07 AM By PAUL
First of all, welcome back to Cal-Catholic...These figures should not be a surprise to real Church going Catholics who DO FOLLOW the teachings of Jesus Christ, we do not get all caught up in liberal marxist ideology, we do not worry about whether the sodomites will contribute to the basket if the sins of homosexuality are part of a homily, we do not lose sleep if it is mentioned that ABORTION is murder, in the USA, it is now genocide.This Sunday at our Church at 9 masses we prayed for the janitors and cleaners of the Church, we failed to mention ABORTIONS, the Sanctity of Marriage, one Mass had about 300 confirmation teen agers present, a nice time to mention the Spiritual decline of America, nope, janitors were the word to God. At the end of Mass the choir of teens sang a rousing rendition of AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL. genocide,sodomite agenda's in our schools, a president elect for stem cell research, the United Nations in joy that Hussien will fund abortions in other countries, Fartagain in Chicago with his islamic racial tensions threaths, Hussien with his evil agenda to force Catholic and other Christians to perform ABORTIONS in Catholic Hospitals, hussien treathening the freedom of the press and air-waves, we sang America the Beautiful and prayed for the janitor. IN NEVADA WHERE A LOT OF DISPLACED CALIFORNIANS LIVE WE VOTED FOR HUSSIEN 55%. OUR BISHOP WAS LARGELY SILENT ON ALL OF THE ISSUES, we do not believe our good priests had any choice other than to follow their leader. THE USCCB were good and loyal demoncrats by a margin of 2 to 1. Yes Lord Bless our janitor, but please bless our Bishop to.AMERICA THE BEUTIFUL WAS ONCE A GOOD SONG, BUT ARE WE BEAUTIFUL NOW IN GOD'S EYES
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:20 AM By bud
Let's start with Massachusetts, with so many Catholics, how has gay marriage gotten such a stranglehold? By people claiming to be Catholic just because they were Baptized as a Catholic! Politicians, baptized or not, must be recognized by their deeds not their claimed religion. I'm sure some Catholics are being deceived thru their own ignorance.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:32 AM By Bud
Our church has paid the price and continues to regarding the scandal. Most of all I notice just how few other organizations where the identical conditions existed have been called to task for it's errors. Truly, it has become a deliberate smear tactic on the church. Who else has taken such measures to atone for it's sins? Now, it's time to put it aside and openly fight the abortion, marriage and political scandals endangering our faith and church. In my estimation, only a few bishops have made enough noise and actually not joined other religions in condemnation of our enemies. .
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:37 AM By Dan
After the election I spoke with two Catholics at work. One is a BVM sister and the other my financial advisor. The sister was vehemently pro-Obama. In a discussion with my financial advisor, he couldn't understand what the big deal was with Obama's abortion record. For both, abortion was strictly small potatoes. I think in these two one sees the face of Catholicism in this country.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:39 AM By The original Frank
Most of these comments seem so laking in Mercy. Do CCD commentors really believe it's possible to insult anyone to Grace? Have another read, noticing these phrases:
"Not that they care" "bunch of brainwashed morons" "Love of mammon" "a scandal to the Church" "lesbian nuns" "They Exc, themselves"
"abortion means nothing" "What a fool" These sins will not go unpunished" " liberal marxist ideology" "janitors were the word to God" "hussien" "hussien"
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:42 AM By Jack P
The technical term for these ex-Catholics, fake-Catholics, and/or unCatholcs is "traitor".
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 12:05 PM By J H Monterey diocese
Having read all the above comments on the election results, ED spoke it clearly when he said: "CATHOLICS ALMIGHTY CONSCIENCES TOOK PRECEDENCE OVER JESUS's teaching." I must put considerable blame on most of America's bishops whose voices fell SILENT in speaking out for LIFE issues. Hope things change in the November meeting of the USCCB. AMEN!
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 12:23 PM By Jay S.
Fr. M.P., correct me if I'm wrong, but in order for The Great Apostasy to be occuring, wouldn't there have to be a great denial of the Catholic faith worldwide? Yes, I agree that the U.S. and most European countries that have been traditionally Christian in the past have been for several decades now quickly reverting back to paganism, secularism, and athiesm. But in other nations, especially those in Asia and Africa, good, solid Catholicism is spreading like WILDFIRE. Don't get me wrong; I do agree with you that America and Europe are due for a big chastisement, though.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 12:27 PM By Tony
Fr. Peek, please read "More Catholic than the Pope" by Patrick Madrid and Pete Vere and leave the SSPX and return back home to the Catholic Faith!
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 1:57 PM By Elizabeth
What I found to be true is there was a huge disconnect in the parishes.....
Not a word from the pulpit that I heard!
And please dear Bishops, re-evaluate that 'Faithful Citizenship' book......
Too MUCH 'wiggle room' for those so called 'Catholics' in name only to wiggle out of truly having an informed conscience!!!
Tell it like it is............in simple tems......
I will keep praying for our Bishops and I advise you all to do the same and that the Pastors/Priests will listen to the Bishops and not be so arrogant.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 2:08 PM By Ron
Do you really want to know why the majority of Catholics voted for the party of death ? The answer is- the Catholic church is more concerned about $$$$$$$ than saving souls. I say to hell with worrying about losing our tax exempt status and start preaching from the pulpit that it a sin to support parties and candidates that spit on our beliefs. If we lose some priests and parishioners, so be it , the church would be far better off without them. God Bless
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 2:33 PM By Carla Rita
You have to remember that many of these 'catholics" are in name only, They are like the mustard seed that sprouted by the wayside then withered away.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 2:54 PM By Anne T.
An addition to my last post: But they forget that God sees, and they can hide nothing from Him. He knows when they have murdered their own children.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 4:03 PM By JLS
Those are the "rollover" Catholics ... in the same sense as this nation has become a morally degenerate nation. The rollover Catholics have no fight in them because they have no vision. They eat up the Obama vision. Jesus teaches not to dance to the tunes in the market place, but that is the Obama vision.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 4:24 PM By VivaMiCristo
With all the poor catechesis, the meat-less homilies, banal or silly liturgical experiences, we have had for the last four decades it is no wonder so many Catholic don't think any different than others. There has been some improvement in many Catholic communities, but we are very much lagging behind. We need what evangelicals would call a "call to revival" a "call to restoration" a "call to repentance". No to 'meatless' homilies. yes to meatless Fridays! If Catholics have little that identifies them as Catholics amongst themselves, much less could they give a common witness to the world.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 4:40 PM By Bill
Fifty years ago, I lost confidence in the Catholic Bishops' judgement in terms of political honesty and nothing has changed except that they are now subject to the results of their behavior. I don't feel comfortable in the Church when I realize that the majority around me don't believe the same doctrines that I believe.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM By simone dubois
Fr. Corapi says, "God allows evil to draw a greater good." Perhaps what we will now have to face will bring souls back to the faith. May God have mercy on me a sinner.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 5:19 PM By Mark from PA
You forgot Pennsylvania. We are 30% Catholic. Obama got around 55% here I think.
Mark from PA (Editor's Note: The USCCB statistics put the Catholic population of PA at 28.4%, just below California, but not in the "top 10.")
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 6:57 PM By Fr. M.P.
Jay S, I look at it this way. In all the "modern" countries, most Catholics do not even attend weekly Mass, and do not believe in the True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. While in Africa there is a large growth in certain parts, there is little Catholicism in the rest of it, or in the mid-East and Asia. Where most Catholics reside, there is a great falling away. Look at the morality of the whole world, those not Catholic too, and it is horrific, with abortion and homosexual lifestyles, widespread fornication, immodesty, and divorce. Soon worldwide laws, enforced by the UN, will make speaking the Bible a hate-crime because it says no homosexual lifestyles or that it takes away the "right" of abortion. Look at the number of priests and religious from 1960 to now - down down down. Isn't it obvious? Much more than the western world is going to get chastised. Remember Akita (Church approved), "fire will fall from the sky and wipe out a *great portion* of humanity."
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 7:57 PM By Eileen
The original Frank, You say that most of the CCD comments here are so lacking in Mercy. Frank, where is your Mercy? Go back and find one single post of yours that says anything even remotely close to, "Even though it is difficult, I accept all of the teachings of the Catholic Church and I strive to obey them and help others for the good of their souls to do the same." All, (not most) of your comments lack Mercy when it comes to inspiring someone to choose obedience to God over the attachment to sin. You consistently reject the many merciful comments to love all sinners but hate the sin. Since the Truths of the Catholic Church do not inspire you with grace to obey God, what will? Also, do you find zero value in Mark F's very truthful, charitable and Grace filled comments on leaving the homosexual lifestyle because he leaves out the the permission slip to still sin?
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 8:45 PM By JPeterman
As Father Corapi said, God is not a disinterested observer of the affairs of man. These "catholics" voted him in, many will suffer the consequences.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 8:52 PM By JPeterman
Jay S: According to Desmond Birch in his book "Trial, Tribulation, and Triumph, Before, during, and after antichrist", there is to be a "minor chastisement" before the major chastisement which precedes our Lord's second coming. Having read that book with all it's prophecies from all those saints, that "minor chastisement" sure does look near.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 9:38 PM By Vin Ferrer
Mother Angelica once said give me 12 Jehovah Witness style Catholics and I can change the world. We need to focus on evangelizing the Church itself all over again. For instance the Marians( 800 462-7426) print a pamphlet on Divine Mercy (# MPL) and you can order a thousand for $100 dollars. It is an excellent overview of Divine Mercy and appeals to everyone (also printed in Spanish). They also print a "Pray the Rosary" (# PR2) one for same price range. Think of all the souls that would be saved just by these humble leaflets; you could bring them to prisons, hospitals, leave them in church vestibule racks. People are falling away because modernism doesn't nourish anyone. I have discovered that when you share the strong faith filled devotions of our holy religion with open minded people they are immediately intrigued. Don't waste your energy arguing with hardened liberals shake the dust from your feet and focus on the humble, simple, ordinary people. The harvest is great. The early protestants (1500's) thought they would bog down the Catholics in an endless series of disputes, arguments and tug of war; Trent enabled the Catholics to mend the ship, sail forth and bring in a huge harvest of souls in the new world. Survivals and new arrivals. Let's go evangelize some sheep. That waitress or truck driver is probably more open than the one with the "Catholic"(?) diploma.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:36 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
For those of you who live in the Greater L.A. Basin area and who really want to become part of the "Church Militant", we will be conducting a prayer vigil demonstration tonight at the Seminary of the Archdiocese of Lost Angels where Doug Kmiec, will be speaking to the Lost Angels seminarians. We will start at 6:30 PM, bring candles and more important your Rosaries.
If anyone needs a ride from Orange County, call me at: 714-491-2284 or e-mail me at: crcoa@dslextreme.com. In order to avoid the traffic, I will leave for there at no later than 3:00 PM.
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 10:42 PM By Anne T.
Yes, JPeterman, you are right, and some of the very people who were and are so staunchly pro-abortion will be "euthanized" before their time by the survivors of the generation they aborted.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 11:01 PM By FHKJ
My fellow Catholics. Do not despair. Too much is being made of the presidential election. Keep praying and working to help the poor and the pregnant. We have too much to do in Jesus's name to sit and complain.
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Posted Monday, November 10, 2008 11:43 PM By The original Frank
Eileen: Yes, I do strive to live in obedience to our Church's teaching, not as an act of intellectual acceptance or resignation but as a practice and path of growth and openness to Gods grace. I believe that inspiring the Body of Christ (myself, my family, yourself and everyone I interact with) to deeper self-awareness is an important part of that practice so I choose to reflect back the emotion I read. When that emotion is anger and the images are of lashing out at "others" I point it out. Maybe someone who reads it will realize that faithfulness more often demands gentleness than harsh words, and "our" Faith might be received by those who would reject it for fear of intolerance. Do you find this un-merciful? ---||--- I haven't seen any comments from Mark F about homosexuality on this page, so I'm not sure why you think my comment has anything to do with homosexuality. Having free will, he and I don't need a "permission slip" to sin, nor do you or anybody else. Could you explain?
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:01 AM By Aaron
I heartily agree with Vin Ferrer. Blaming the decline of the church on Bishops, priests or politicians accomplishes absolutely nothing. The most powerful way to spread the good word of the Gospel is not only with our lips, but in our lives, by giving ourselves to His service. Children clearly discern the good news of the Gospel or the spirit of satan by observing the behavior of adults. The loving spirit of a parent, grandparent, uncle or aunt will accomplish far more than the most powerful bishop.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:20 AM By BJ
Our church has survived since the time of OurLord despite all the efforts of enemies and 'insiders'.When Napoleon threatened to destroy the church a cardinal at the time quipped that he obviously couldn't..... because we hadn't managed to do it ourselves!
My church will prevail against the gates of hell, said Jesus.
We must keep the faith and pray fervently for the souls of the
misled and the misleading wherever they happen to be speaking from.... and we will prevail in time.Ending abortion is a priority. The gravest of mass rejection of Christ sins.May God Forgive us and help us in this battle with Satan.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:55 AM By Gina Nakagawa
We tend to blame Vatican II for the Church's troubles. It is not Vatican II. It is the "Spirit of Vatican II", that specious interpretation of the Council which puts God in His place-out of sight, out of mind. Serious Catholics will find the documents and understand what they really mean.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:40 AM By Mark from PA
Parts of PA are very Catholic. Philadelphia Archdiocese is about 37% Catholic, Pittsburgh Diocese is also 37% Catholic. NE PA (Scranton Diocese) is 35% Catholic, NW PA (Erie Diocese) is 27% Catholic. The rural areas are less Catholic. The Harrisburg Diocese is only about 10% Catholic and this is probably going down as they closed half of their churches there. Sadly there is really little evangelization in our state, except for Protestant Sects evangelizing Catholic Latinos.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:28 AM By Maria C
I love mother Angelica. God bless her. I do have to comment though on Jehovah Witness style comment? If you look at the early Catholic church ways before Jehovah Witness cult was started, our early catholic Christian church, has always gone out and evangelized, door to door, some of course in hiding because the church was in great danger. So the Jehovah Witnesses were the ones who copied some of the ways that came from our infant church of spreading the gospel. Jehovah witnesses is a cult and we should never give them such high regard by saying if we do as them to change the world. Never say that but we should go back to how the infant church preached and spread itself, that is truly Catholic. After all we are the first and true Christians, we have apostolic truth to show proof to that, with Peter as out first Pope, no one can argue that, they can try but the truth will always win!
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:11 PM By Jimmy Mac
Vox populi. Vox Dei.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:29 PM By Thomas R.
I blame the church officials for Obama's success among "Catholics." The Catholic church should have come out and openly endorsed a 100% pro life candidate, such as Chuck Baldwin. Baldwin was the only 100% pro life candidate and vowed to do everything in his power to overturn the unconstitutional Roe vs Wade. Baldwin ran as the Constitution party candidate. The Constitution party is the only party that is 100% pro life. It is directly stated in the party platform.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:29 PM By TLewis
Frank: You said the following - "Most of these comments seem so lacking in Mercy. Do CCD instructors really believe it's possible to insult anyone to Grace? Have another read"
I'm sorry you feel that way, but the word is Charity not Mercy. Charity can be identified by the image of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Charity is the raw truth of Jesus. Jesus wants all of us to live in that raw truth. For forty years now Catholics have been ignoring this raw truth of Jesus and focusing too much on the Rights of Man rather than the Rights of God. That truth should cause us to find satisfaction in God, and to seek to please Him by keeping His commandments. Here we are now forty years of Vatican II with its Charity towards Mankind and now 54 per cent of the Catholics in American voting not to keep Our Lords commandments by electing a Pro Abortion Candidate for President of the United States.
Charity towards others is when you tell them the Truth, not hiding the truth with a false mercy.
After Jesus told the Apostles that he must go to Jerusalem suffer, die and rise again. Peter said, "Lord, be it far from thee this shall not be unto thee. Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! Thou art a scandal unto me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
Christ was taking about the Charity of His Sacred Heart. It was the raw truth and Peter did not like to hear it come from his Masters mouth. Frank please, consider telling the raw truth about the Sacred Heart for souls in that they will not perish in everlasting Hell Fire. Yes, you will find that many successful Saints used (not insult) but the truth about whom each and ever person is in relation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Feeling insulted is usually an indication of the lack of humility.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:32 PM By Mark from PA
Chuck Baldwin is some kind of Baptist minister. I looked him up and he has some strange beliefs. He thinks that the South was right in the Civil War. He also promotes militia movements. He also thinks all gay people are perverts. I have issues with voting for ministers (even priests) for public office especially if I don't agree with many of their views.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:10 PM By JLS
Thomas R., I don't understand why you ignore the fact that in California there was no Constitution party on the ballot. Because in this state it is called the American Independent Party, and sported Dr. Alan Keyes, who not only is Catholic but seriously so on all points that I'm aware of.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:13 PM By John F. Maguire
In reply to Tony: You owe an apology to Fr. John Peek on two grounds. (1) Fr. John Peek, in fact, left the Society of St. Pius X in 2001 for reasons he has kept--perhaps until recently--*in pectore*. Yet you give yourself permission to invite him to leave the SSPX today, seven years after Fr. Peek left the Society. (2) Worse: You imply that Fr. Peek left the Catholic faith BY joining the SSPX. Such a claim is grievously wrong. Here is Dario Cardinal Castrillon's statement of the matter: "Please accept that I reject the term 'ecumenism *ad intra*.' The bishops, priests, and faithful of the Society of St. Pius X are not schismatics. It is Archbishop Lefebvre who has undertaken an illicit Episcopal consecration and therefore performed a schismatic act. It is for this reason that the Bishops consecrated by him have been suspended but not excommunicated. The PRIESTS [my emphasis] and faithful of the Society have not been excommunicated. They are not heretics" (Interview with Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos _Die Tagespost_, Feb. 8, 2007). Wrong on these two points, Tony, nonetheless you take to the Internet (pseudonomously) to make the *suggestio falsi* that Fr. Peek has left the Catholic faith. He has not. You use the gambit of inviting him "back" into the Faith when, in fact, no prior departure from it ever took place.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:22 PM By Thomas R.
Mark from PA,
Where are you gettting your inforrmation? When has Dr. Baldwin ever stated that he believes that the Confederacy was justified in their actions? You really lost me when you talked about the militia movements. I do not know where you were going with that one. I think the President elect Obama has some strange beliefs as well, such as killing the unborn and redistributing the wealth.
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Posted Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:40 PM By Thomas R.
JLS
I am very aware of Alan Keyes. He is a very pious, conservative man. However, I was talking American Bishops in general, not just in California. There are people on this site from all over, not just California. To claify my previous points, the Church should have publicly endorsed each 100% pro life candidate and publicly made the names of these candidates known. The candidates such as Baldwin, Keyes, and Barr? I am not sure if the latter is 100% pro life. JLS, correct me if I am wrong, I believe that the AIP is an affiliate of the Constitution party. They chose to put Keyes on the ballot in California as opposed to Baldwin. Some states, for whatever reason, do not put the name of the party's "official" candidate on the ballot.
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Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:58 AM By Joseph Jaglowicz
Good news, indeed! When will our official "teachers" learn that they can learn from the laity? Learning, after all, is a two-way street. The hierarchs --- esp. a few like Burke, Finn et al --- are dragging their feet, but common Christian sense will prevail.
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Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:28 PM By Fr. M.P.
John F. Maguire, in principle, not specifically dealing with Fr. Peek, one cannot infer a blanket claim that all SSPXers are in communion with Rome because of Cardinal Castrillon's statement. The formal document Ecclesia Dei by Pope JP2 said that anyone who "adheres to the schism" along with the Bishops illicitly consecrated. Certainly the SSPX Bishops are in that state, but also are any who reject the valid teaching authority of the Church. (I have dealt with many SSPXers over the years who wrongly say Vatican II is a false Council.) And in their FAQs, SSPX said you couldn't go to a Novus Ordo Mass at all. I think that was on their list of confessible sins too. (I am not sure if those points are still there on the SSPX website.) Neither does the lack of an act of a formal excommunication imply lack of schism since excommunication is a disciplinary action which may not have been taken for merciful reasons. So much depends on the intent and actions of the individual.
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Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:33 PM By Mark from PA
Thomas R, I had never heard of Chuck Baldwin but I looked him up on Wikipedia. He also believes in premillennial dispensationalism. I don't know if I would feel comfortable voting for a priest or a minister for high public office.
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Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:23 PM By JLS
Thomas R., thanks for the clarification. I agree.
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Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:27 PM By Thomas R.
Mark from PA,
Anybody can contribute to the wikipedia website. It is a public, online, encyclopedia. Anybody can contribute, including yourself, myself, the Obama campaign, and even Rush Limbaugh. Mark, it is very hard to consider anything from wikipedia, especially politics, to be 100% credible. If you wanted to know more about him, your safest bet would be to visit the campaign website.
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Posted Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:28 PM By Mark from PA
Is Chuck Baldwin a fundamentalist Baptist minister?
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Posted Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:54 PM By RR
Mark from PA: "Is Chuck Baldwin a fundamentalist Baptist Minister?" Yeah, and your point is?????????????
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Posted Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:18 PM By JLS
PA, fundamentalist Baptist ministers are baptised into Christ, giving them the graces of Baptism. Lots of these people exercise more of God's grace from a single Sacrament than do many Catholics who enjoy access to much more grace from more Sacraments. So what is your gripe?
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Posted Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:46 PM By Mark from PA
I don't believe in voting for priests and ministers for high public office. Let them tend to their flocks. Plus I don't believe in a lot of the things that Chuck Baldwin stands for so why should I vote for him? Plus he was not on the ballot in my state.
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Posted Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:23 PM By JLS
PA, it is an American tradition that some protestant ministers become elected officials. You've probably voted for a few. A few presidential candidates come to mind ... liberal democrats. I'm convinced that the only reason you voted for Obama is that he is the worst abortionist in high politics ... obviously you're acting out your second childhood, the rebellion against authority that you never resolved the first time around.
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Posted Friday, November 14, 2008 6:36 PM By Mark Davenport
There was actually a Catholic priest, Father Drinan, who was a congressman. I believe that the Church asked him to step down as the Church does not think it is appropriate for clergymen to hold high public office. JLS, you think the only reason I voted for Obama is because he is pro-abortion? You have not been paying attention. I agree with him on many things but I am pro-life and do not agree with his support of Roe vs. Wade.
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Posted Friday, November 14, 2008 6:49 PM By Mark from PA
JLS - I just looked up Fatehr Drinan on Wikipedia. I would not have voted for him either. Actually some of his views were not befitting of a Catholic priest. The Church asked him to step down. He actually supported Clinton's veto of the bill banning partial birth abortions. He was one of those personally opposed but -- guys. We need to work on Joe Biden. He is the first Catholic VP, he needs to forget about NARAL and PP and stand beside his fellow Catholics.
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Posted Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:48 AM By JLS
PA, legal action is looming on the political horizon, which puts the possibility of a Joe Biden presidency in the near future. Do you know of any personally opposed but type senators or presidents who have ever changed their ways to pro-life with no exceptions? It is rare enough that abortion doctors make that transition, and I've heard of only two; one is Dr. Bernard Nathanson, and the other is a Serbian who just has made this transition, and at a steep price. Odds are that none of these politicians ever makes the conversion, not even on their deathbed.
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Posted Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:11 PM By JLS
Mark D., no. You voted for Obama and your vote furthers abortion. Live with it, or confess it and receive absolution.
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Posted Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:20 PM By cecilia
before the election at our church there was a "woman" outside after mass giving out literature against prop 8 and how obama is prolife (LOL) There was a pro lifer agruing with the "woman" A young man present said he agreed that he was against prop8, and that obama was pro life, and told them that he was on the "parish council" the pro lifer went to the pastor with this information...the paster scolded the pro lifer and said the young man had a "conscience" and asured her that the young man was pro-life...what a joke !!!
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Posted Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:35 PM By Mark from PA
Just for comparison. This is how McCain did in the least Catholic states. Tennessee - 57%, Alabama - 56%, South Carolina - 54%, North Carolina - 49.5%, Arkansas - 59%, Mississippi - 56%, Oklahoma - 66%, Utah - 63%. Obama only won one of the least Catholic states (North Carolina where it was almost a tie.)
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Posted Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:51 PM By RR
Mark from PA: Are you also using the name Mark Davenport on this blog? Just curious.
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Posted Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:47 PM By Paul
Not in the Top 10, but Louisiana, the most Catholic state in the South at 35% went for McCain/Palin and a better choice for life! Mark from PA, I invite you to tour Confederate Memorial Hall on Camp Street in New Orleans and view the Crown of Thorns given to President Jefferson Davis by Blessed Pope Pius IX.
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Posted Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:40 PM By Mark from PA
RR - I hit the wrong key. Paul, are you from New Orleans? I have never been to Louisiana. I don't get to travel much, there are 3 in my family and 1 car and we share so someone is always working it seems.
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Posted Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:16 PM By Mark from PA
I did read an analysis of the voting in Louisiana. Actually the voting followed racial lines with most blacks voting for Obama and most whites voting for McCain. In NE PA, having Joe Biden, a Catholic born in Scranton, PA on the Democratic ticket, helped give the Democrats healthy majorities in Catholic areas.
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Posted Monday, November 17, 2008 6:13 AM By RR
Mark from PA: You hit the wrong key?? Huhhh?? What are you talking about? Is Mark from PA the same as Mark Davenport?
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Posted Monday, November 17, 2008 9:31 AM By Maria C
One year during homeschooling, I was told that Wikipedia is not always a reliable source for facts because anyone can write something on any topic and post it on Wikipedia. Just to let you know.
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Posted Monday, November 17, 2008 3:16 PM By Mark from PA
I don't usually use my full name on this but it accidentally got put on. Sorry.
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Posted Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:20 PM By Jeff
The data for this research is suspect. First, no one bothered to ask the self-identifying Catholics if they bother to attend Mass every Sunday -- a precept of the Church. I suspect that many of them do not. Therefore, if they will not follow a precept of the Church, what makes you think that they will follow the Church's teaching, reiterated by the Holy Father, on the primacy of the sanctity of human life when forming ones conscience? These people wear Catholicism like a lapel pin, but do not be bothered with picking up the cross.
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With all due respect to the Bishops, the voting tome they published was a not helpful. In my opinion, all that was necessary was a simple re-iteration of what the Pope said.
The level of Catechesis in this country is an atrocity. Most Catholics have not been taught what to believe and what to reject.
Pray for our and help our Bishops because they've got a tough road ahead of them
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Posted Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:20 PM By Paul
Mark from PA--I recommend not reading too much into the analysis that voting in Louisiana is conducted along racial lines; Louisiana's previous governor was an Acadian Catholic female and the current governor is an Asian Indian Catholic male. I myself claim French and Spanish ancestry, born in Lake Charles and reared in Baton Rouge. In fact, my ancestors aided the American Revolution by sending supplies through your current state to the starving Continental Army. Did your history course in school teach you that?
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Posted Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:39 PM By Mark from PA
Your state has an interesting history, Paul. I follow Gov. Jindal's career with interest. He seems like a great man and hopefully will do great things for Louisiana. I think he may be a candidate for Vice President in coming years. I know that Louisiana also has a significant black Catholic population. I think that the government should do all it can to restore Louisiana's coastal wetlands. These wetlands are a national treasure and also a protection against hurricanes and coastal storms.
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Posted Monday, December 29, 2008 11:30 PM By Laura
I find it so surprising that Catholics are making statements about other Catholics "Excommunicating themselves" from the Church because they voted for Obama. McCain's position on Abortion still allowed for the same wishy washy loophole that most liberals cling to --abortion permitted in the case of "the health of the mother, incest and rape." So McCain acknowledges that he knows that life begins at conception, but still finds it allowable to murder the babies in the case of "the health of the mother, rape, etc."?
For folks who pride themselves on their logical abilities, I see a blaring attempt to pick at the tiny little splinter in their neighbors eye, while ignoring the beam in theirs.
McCain was no more of a great choice for Catholics then Obama.
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Posted Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:19 AM By Anne T.
You make some very good points, Laura. Many people held their noses when they voted for McCain because they thought they might get worse, and they did. The pro-abortion, anti-family party leaders have the American public wrapped around their fingers. But that too is a reflection on the American people. Do we not get the leaders we deserve? How do we get out from under them? How do we break the shackles? Just some thoughts.
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Posted Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:03 AM By Anne T.
An addition to my last post. Perhaps we would not have gotten better with Mc Cain. He did not seem very enthused about protecting the unborn. There were a lot of things he should have challenged Obama on and did not. His heart did not seem to be in it.
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