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Published: September 11, 2007
In keeping with the bishop’s instructions
Weekday celebrations of the Traditional Latin Mass approved in San Diego
 In response to Pope Benedict XVI’s motu proprio, Summorum Pontificum, San Diego’s Bishop Robert Brom has approved a weekday celebration of the traditional Latin Mass (Tridentine Rite). The Mass will be said, Monday-Friday, 12.15 p.m., at St. John the Evangelist Church, at the corner of Polk Ave. and Normal St. in San Diego.
Though the Masses will presumably be low Masses, the inaugural Mass, on Friday, Sept. 14, the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, will be a High Mass, “in thanksgiving for the Holy Father’s Apostolic Letter,” said a news release from the San Diego Traditional Latin Mass Society. St. John the Evangelist’s pastor, the Rev. William Dillard, made his church available “in keeping with Bishop Brom’s instructions,” said the news release. Sulpician Father Reginald DeFour will be the celebrant.
The parish will not offer the Traditional Mass on Sundays, however. “For the time being,” said the news release, “Sunday Masses will continue to be offered at Holy Cross Mausoleum Chapel” in San Diego at 7:30 and 9 a.m.
Since the motu proprio’s publication in June, three bishops now have expressed their willingness to accommodate those who desire to attend the Tridentine Mass. In July, Monterey’s new bishop, Richard Garcia, said he would provide two, non-parish locations for the celebration of the Mass. Orange diocese’s Bishop Tod Brown approved an additional Sunday Traditional Mass at St. Mary’s by the Sea in Huntington Park, which was scheduled to begin this month but has been delayed for at least two more months until the return of the pastor, Fr. Martin Tran, from Vietnam. The diocese also has two Sunday Traditional Mass celebrations at Mission San Juan Capistrano’s Serra Chapel and the John Paul II Polish Center in Yorba Linda.
Late last year, San Jose’s Bishop Patrick McGrath approved the offering of all the sacraments according to the traditional rite at the Oratory Chapel of Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Santa Clara, with Masses said on Sundays and during the week on Tuesday, Friday, and first Saturdays. Earlier, Bishop Allan Vigneron of Oakland approved the Traditional Mass for Sundays and weekdays, along with the administration of all the sacraments, at St. Margaret Mary’s in Oakland.
In 1998, Sacramento's Bishop William Weigand permitted a Latin Mass community under the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, which meets at St. Stephen the First Martyr in Sacramento. In March, Weigand approved another Sunday celebration of the Tridentine Mass at St. John the Baptist Church in Chico.
Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:46 AM By bruce
The more Tridentine Masses, the more Graces released upon the world.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:48 AM By nick
Bishop McGrath of San Jose deliberately "approved" the Oratory of OLPH in order to marginalize and contain Tradition in the Diocese. The Institute of Christ the King actually worked against a greater accomodation to Traditional Catholics thinking only of their own interests. There had been a monthly celebration of the mass at Our Lady of Peace Shrine, began by the saintly Msgr. John Sweeney (RIP), that the Institute had cancelled after 16 years. This mass had well over 200 in attendance at 7:00 pm and had been offered by the Priests of the Fraternity of St. Peter. The so called "oratory" without resident priest or daily mass, has capacity for only 50 persons and is without adequate parking and access.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:02 AM By Fiat Lux
The bishop approved? The bishop has no right to approve or disapprove. A key point in the Holy Father's letter was that the bishops are out of this. The use of the extraordinary rite is a decision for the faithful and their pastors. The bishop only gets involved if a pastor refuses to say mass according to the extraordinary rite.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:38 AM By hollingsworth
"Monterey’s new bishop, Richard Garcia, said he would provide two, non-parish locations for the celebration of the Mass."
Why "non-parish locations?" Is not the TLM as legitimate a Mass rite as the NO Mass? I don't understand this.
TM
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:07 AM By MrBill
In other news about the Monterey diocese, and this appears to have come about without any involvement of Bishop Garcia, the Pastor of St. Paul the Apostle in Pismo Beach confirmed last week (Sept 6) that a TLM is being organized there, although he has not released any specific details about it.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:20 PM By Anne
This is great news for San Diego! Hope there will be more to follow.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:14 PM By Diane
Although I would like to believe that having the Tridentine Mass is the decision of the faithful and their pastors, here in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, it is the decision of Cdl. Mahony that this Mass is said at a hospital, a chapel, a convent, and a college only. As you may have noticed, too many bishops will not allow the Tridentine Mass to be said at a parish church, only non-parish venues for the specific purpose of allowing mature Catholics to attend until they pass away. If they allowed this Mass at parishes, Catholic families would opt to attend the Tridentine Mass every Sunday and the bishops don't want that. So the mature bishops around So. Calif. will not change their minds, unless, of course, in our case something can be done to break up the humongous Archdiocese of Los Angeles, whose present territory begins in downtown Los Angeles to the Pacific Ocean, which includes Los Angeles and Ventura Counties. Too many Catholics are extremely frustrated because we have had to endure the pedophile priest situation which Mahony foisted upon us, the Cathedral which looks like the box a Cathedral comes in with a Hollywood style Blessed Mother in what appears to be an Academy Award gown (bare arms etc.), and worst of all, not be able to attend the Mass of our choice. Who could have guessed the limitations put upon us in practicing our faith by Mahony? How very sad!
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:54 PM By gino
We have a similar "problem" here in western Washington state where Archbishop Brunett has provided the only Sunday Tridentine Mass to be celebrated in an obscure Josephinum residence in Seattle where it is virtually impossible to find parking and seating is very small. Only 2 Sacraments have been permitted (Mass and Penance) and this to serve the entire west coast of the state! I used to attend Our Lady of Peace before I moved up here and am sorry to hear it lost the Tridentine Mass. Hopefully after Sept 14 things will turn around all over the country!
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:14 PM By Ann Cinquina
Why do the bishops have the final say regarding the celebrating of the Tridentine Latin Mass. Did the Pope say it was up to them? If Mahoney can tear himself away from the matter of selling away church property to settle cases for the pedophiles, perhaps Los Angeles can return to being the "city of the angels" by celebrating the Tridentine Latin Mass is parish churches.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:48 PM By Blackjack
I really wish to attend the TM. But nothing is available anywhere near, so I guess I will just settle for a TM on TV. But I don't think there will be a regular show anyway. On Sundays I will continue to attend the Novus Ordo hoping that it will revive some of the traditional singing and reverence.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:16 PM By ConfusedCatholic
I don't get it. According to the Pope's Motu Proprio, we no longer need the bishop's permission! So, we should be able to have the TLM ***wherever*** the people ask for it. So go ask!!!
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:27 PM By Maria
I am greatful that I can attend this beautiful weekday Mass. Praise be Jesus Christ!
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 9:24 PM By John L. Sillasen
Blackjack, there should be a TM within an hour and a half from any point in South Calif.
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Posted Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:17 PM By George
Dear Anne
Benedict XVI stated: "In conclusion, dear Brothers, I very much wish to stress that these new norms do not in any way lessen your own authority and responsibility, either for the liturgy or for the pastoral care of your faithful. Each Bishop, in fact, is the moderator of the liturgy in his own Diocese ".. Benedict XVI cannot command that the bishops do anything. Vatican II forces the Pope to seek consensus with the Bishops. Gone are real popes with princely powers like Pius X, Pius XII and Pius V. Haven't you ever wondered why the Novus Ordo Popes only suggest, no longer command?
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:31 AM By PJ F-San Francisco
I have not attended Mass on a regular basis for years. I do not accept the Vatican II [Vernacular] Mass. Ballet performances during Mass simply infuriates me.
We have an archdiocese in San Francisco that is so politically correct, they're simply refusing to provide the Tradentine Rite Mass on a weekly basis in any parish. The are acting with complete panic that the Latin Mass might become popular. - Please write to me and help me challenge this madness!
P.J. Flannery
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:53 AM By Esparanza Rios
George is correct pre-Vatican 2 Popes gave a command not a willy nilly "I suggest the Bishops do this" that's what is missing in our post Vatican 2 Popes!! Bishop Brom of San Diego cannot approve or disapprove the Traditional Latin Mass he should be worried where he is going to get the money to pay for his obscene priests who molested children! You would think bishops would be elated to know that their flocks want to attend Mass according to the 1962 rite. Just proves what we all know the bishops hate the T.L.M. and don't give a hoot about the people who want it, how much longer must those folks in San Diego sit in a Mausoleum and attend Holy Mass there? You have Spanish, Korean, Filipino, Arabic, Cantonese, Swahili masses ect. they all seem to have a slot in a parish but not Latin??? Come on folks start demanding what is our "Right" don't be afraid of these Liberal bishops most are at the cusp of retirement and they know the Vatican 2 Jig is up!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:15 AM By Fredi
In addition to St. Thomas More Church in San Francisco (http://www.stmchurch.com/Mass.htm), I expect the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite to be coming soon to St. Veronica Church in South San Francisco.
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:25 AM By Vernon
Agree totally with Esparanza Rios. I am blessed to live in Chicago and have many options to attend daily and Sunday Tridentine mass through the good graces of Cardinal George. But my wife's family lives in San Diego and I find it awkward and embarrassing to drive up the cemetery hill to attend Tridentine mass in what is clearly not a suitable venue. Maybe the pastor of St John the Evangelist can unilaterally offer a Sunday Tridentine mass - he does not need Bishop Brom's permission.
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:16 PM By Jay
As far as the Diocese of San Bernardino, there is serious interest with a small, but growing community of laity and retired priest Fr. Eugene Speno to have a TLM at Sacred Heart in Palm Desert. Anyone in the diocese closeby who is interested should vocalize their support.
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:21 PM By Pace--y-bene
When I was a child, I was inspired by a photo of a priest raising the host towards the tabernacle flanked by angelic looking little servers. I only realized later in life that it was a photo of a Tridentine Mass. That image is my first strong impression of Catholicism. It influenced my spiritual life greatly. I weep upon learning that TLM is being despised by many bishops.
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:22 PM By John L. Sillasen
Jay, is your TLM underway already? If not, then why not just kick it into gear?
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Posted Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:19 PM By E. Mae
To Jay: In Yucca Valley (north of Palm Springs), there is a TLM at Our Lady of the Desert School. This is an independent Catholic school that teaches the True Faith and not the watered down version. Because this is a traditional Catholic school, it has been bad mouthed by the local parish employees and volunteers. This is the parish where they have: "jumped for Jesus" during Holy Mass; a consecrated Host was stepped on by a priest and he wasn't aware of it (I know this because I picked up the Body of Christ from the floor); a singing nun in pants who is more worried about not missing a note so she sings with the Body of Christ in her mouth ( I witnessed this in daily Mass.) and much more. The lack of reverence was so bad that it drove me to attend the TLM.
The school is faithful to the Holy Father in spite of the lies the parish tries to spread. At Our Lady of the Desert School, there is usually a daily Mass including Saturday mornings but at this time, the priest is on vacation and until he returns, there is only a Sunday mass. A holy hour is also held one night a week. Right next to the school is Ingleside Lodge which is a beautiful senior citizens' home and the residents can go to the school chapel. Hope this helps until you can establish your TLM in Palm Desert.
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Posted Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM By John
Bishop McGrath’s action last year has expanded the availability of the Traditional Latin Mass for the people of San Jose. What was offered at Our Lady of Peace was a once-a-month mass on a Saturday evening at 7pm (vigil of the Sunday Mass?). As your article correctly stated, there are now four Sunday masses and weekday masses on Tuesday, Friday, and first Saturday. Our Mother of Perpetual Help now operates as an Oratory managed by the Institute of Christ the King. It’s a good beginning.
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Posted Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:51 AM By Jay
I am! But the more voices we have, the better. Fr. Speno is not the pastor, and we have to convince the pastor that there is a significant demand. And, as Article 5 of the M.P. states: “In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962. . . .” And the best way to get the point across to the pastor that this “stable group of faithful” exists and wants a TLM to be celebrated is for that group to let their voices be heard. If you live in the Coachella Valley (and better yet, are a registered parishoner at Sacred Heart) and want the TLM, contact the church office TODAY!
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Posted Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:09 PM By John L. Sillasen
Jay, if only I resided out that way, I'd do so.
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Posted Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:35 PM By Matthew
It is interesting that this article emphasizes the approval of the ordinaries local; one of the main point of the motu proprio is that such approval is superfluous. Of coruse, it is nice to see that bishops are being supportive.
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Posted Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:16 PM By Patony
Good luck to you guys, and to all the TLM priests. September 14 is D-Day.
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Posted Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:44 PM By Fredi
Fr. Lawrence Goode be celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass in honour of the Feast of Exaltation of the Holy Cross, in observance of the motu proprio. This will take place at his parish in the San Francisco Archdiocese, St. Francis of Assisi, 1425 Bay Road, East Palo Alto, tomorrow evening at 7 PM.
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Posted Friday, September 14, 2007 1:25 PM By Carol Kurztmann
EWTN has just broadcast the Traditional Latin Mass for the first time in the 26 years of Mother Angelica's network, it was celebrated by the F.S.S.P. and how wonderful and moving it was to see finally. For all who missed it there will be an oncore tonight 9-14-07 at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time. God bless EWTN and Mother for allowing the Holy Mass of the Traditional Rite be celebrated and hope that it becomes regular!! DEO GRATIAS
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Posted Friday, September 14, 2007 2:02 PM By Joe
The Santa Rosa diocese in California has had an "indult" TLM, which has been continually offered on the second floor of the Hermann Brothers Hall on Sunday mornings just after an aerobics class ends on the first floor. After the Motu Proprio, it's no longer an indult Mass. But will it make it into prime time at a regular parish? Stay tuned...
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Posted Friday, September 14, 2007 6:09 PM By Andy
After watching for the first time TLM by EWTN, I was confused! I was confused why people can claim to be Catholic and dislike the TLM. A real catholic cannot be anti-TLM. Its very catholic liturgy where the spiritual, material, past and present, converge together in the Mass giving proper and orderly honor to God. Believe me dearest bishops, it can change lives. Its a moving Mass. Moving towards God.
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Posted Friday, September 14, 2007 6:20 PM By JPeterman
A good conservative priest friend of mine has rightly pointed out that there is nothing wrong with the "new" Mass and he's absolutely correct. However, if the New Mass can't be done in a reverential manner, with people who are reverential and don't come half dressed with their cell phones ringing then I see we have no choice but to find a Latin Mass.
I for one am not the least bit delusional that the Liberal Bishops out there won't try to ignore this directive from Pope Benedict. It will be up to us to FIGHT for this Latin Mass which will indeed bring reverence back to our Catholic churches. Get together with your fellow parishioners and request a daily Latin Mass. Pope Benedict has given a great gift to the laity with the Motu Proprio. This gift is the ability to request the Mass and if we're being stonewalled by the parish priest or bishop we can report them. Lets fight for our Latin Masses and in doing so, fight for our Catholic faith.
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Posted Friday, September 14, 2007 6:43 PM By JPeterman
A good conservative priest friend of mine has rightly pointed out that there is nothing wrong with the "new" Mass and he's absolutely correct. However, if the New Mass can't be done in a reverential manner, with people who are reverential and don't come half dressed with their cell phones ringing then I see we have no choice but to find a Latin Mass.
I for one am not the least bit delusional that the Liberal Bishops out there won't try to ignore this directive from Pope Benedict. It will be up to us to FIGHT for this Latin Mass which will indeed bring reverence back to our Catholic churches. Get together with your fellow parishioners and request a daily Latin Mass. Pope Benedict has given a great gift to the laity with the Motu Proprio. This gift is the ability to request the Mass and if we're being stonewalled by the parish priest or bishop we can report them. Lets fight for our Latin Masses and in doing so, fight for our Catholic faith.
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Posted Friday, September 14, 2007 9:05 PM By Arturo Loi
Bringing back reverence may not be easy in one of the local parishes here in the Philippines. Children are exposed to religious groups dancing, shouting and clapping inside the church during their gatherings which of course will lead the children to think that anything goes inside the church. No more genuflection, or silence. If there's a way that Philippine bishops can ask these organizations to do their dancing somewhere else, that would help. Jesus said that the temple is a house of prayer. Meaning its not a disco house, nor a party house...
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Posted Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:49 AM By Susan
After watching the Holy Traditional Latin Mass on EWTN with F.S.S.P. I now know what it is to be Roman Catholic, yes fight for our right to have our Holy Mass the Holy Father gave us the chance so let's go for it!! Thank you EWTN for the chance to witness the "True Mass" and it's saving graces! Novus Ordo service no thank you!!
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Posted Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:59 AM By Philip Beck
The problem is quite easy to resolve. If one doesn't like the Masses in the Diocese of San Jose, or the Bishop, go to either Monterey or Sacramento to attend Mass. Why criticize others unnecessarily, including the Bishop? Just quietly do what you think is necessary for your own spiritual benefit without criticism of other priests and people.
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Posted Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:11 PM By Fredi
Last night I attended the Extrodinary Form of the Latin Rite Mass, in honour of the Feast of Exaltation of the Holy Cross and in observance of the Holy Father's motu proprio, celebrated by Fr. Lawrence Goode at his parish, St. Francis of Assisi in the Archdiocese of San Francisco. God bless Fr. Goode.
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Posted Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:46 PM By Nancita Gutierriz
That's just it Philip why should we have to travel to the end of the world to have the true Mass when we have churches withing walking distance how fair is that? I just watched the "true" Mass according to the 1962 rite on EWTN, that was truly the most awesome act of worshpping our Lord Jesus Christ!! Please keep your kiss of peace, hand holding, guitars, drums, altar girls, liturgical dancing virgins, etc. and we will keep our High Altars, communion rails, holy priests, kneelers and all that is the "True Mass"!!!! Thank You Holy Father Pope Benedict the 16th
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Posted Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:52 AM By John
The Bay Area is truly blessed to have beautiful celebrations of the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite masses. St. Margaret Mary in Oakland had a lovely mass Friday night and benediction, with Gregorian choir and an all night adoration. I hope this trend continues in the Bay Area and in San Diego. Deo gratias!
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Posted Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:51 PM By John L. Sillasen
Great Commission: "Go forth unto all the world and be quiet." Hmn, did I get this right? Another Scripture addressing the quieting down of the flock by the Apostles, even, then " ... even the stones will cry out ... " (Jesus): I think finally I got it right.
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Posted Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:29 PM By Amazed
Pure Catholicism, this Tridentine Latin Mass. During the chanting, what came to my mind were the saints of the past who sang in the same manner - St. Francis of Asisi, St. Bernadette, St. Benedict, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, St. John Bosco, St. Dominic Savio, etc.
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Posted Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:35 PM By Kevin
We have had one church here in New Jersey that has performed the Tridentine Rite or Traditional Latin Mass, as it is now being called. The reverence of both priest and people is palpable. I find it rejuvenating having lived through its near demise since the 1960s. I attended it once in Dublin in 1989, after years of not having it here in the US. It brought back to me how much we have lost as a religion and not only in our rituals.
Sadly, in reviewing the other comments, I know only the passing of this generation of American bishops will be needed to bring the US Catholic Church back. Of course the bishops might be more inclined to offer more TLMs at parishes if the collections went up at the "Latin Masses". Sadly, they seem to only respond to that; not the reasonable requests of the faithful.
I pray Pope Benedict's reign lasts another two decades or this small correction will be wiped away by their hubris, obstinacy and disdain for the faithful.
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Posted Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:07 PM By Adrian
Liberal bishops should not stop us from loving Jesus reverently. Wait a second... isn't that the job of bishops to bring us closer to Jesus? Are they acting like Pharisees now, stopping people from entering the holiest part in the temple, but they themselves didn't wish to enter? I do not wish to judge, only to express my agony upon seeing the Mass undermined by non-catholic spiritualities. At least they should start regulating the Novus Ordo now, like one US bishop did a week ago.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 7:51 AM By Puttss
"The more Tridentine Masses, the more Graces released upon the world" Pure idolatry. The Tridentine Mass is not a "better" nor is it a "holier" form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass no matter what anyone feels about it. It doesn't release more grace into the world. The Sacrifice of the Mass is of infinite value, always has been, always will be.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 10:05 AM By John L. Sillasen
Puttss, I disagree with you; here's why. Not that the two forms of the Roman rite (Novus Ordo and Tridentine) are not equally valid, but that the graces stem from more than only the validity. For example, whatever is the minimum act one needs to do to satisfy the weekly Mass obligation ... somewhat like waiting til just that moment, then going in and receiving Holy Communion, and then exiting as soon as allowed by the rule ... in such a case would more or less graces extend from such behavior than from full participation? I would argue that less graces would flow; therefore, with a more articulate and spiritually ornate Mass, ie greater participation, it seems to me that more graces would move from God through His people. I'm not saying that you haven't seen some "pure idolatry" in something some have said, but I don't see the evidence in what you posted.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 10:29 AM By dcs
"It [the traditional Mass] doesn't release more grace into the world. The Sacrifice of the Mass is of infinite value, always has been, always will be."
There are both intrinsic and extrinsic graces to the Mass. The former never varies, but the latter is dependent upon the holiness of the priest and that of the congregation. If the traditional Mass better prepares the people in the congregation to receive the graces of the Mass (and I think it does), then yes, the more traditional ("Tridentine") Masses, the more graces released upon the world. Pax.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 2:22 PM By Elias
This is indeed great news for San Diego, but people forget and also priests don't seem to realize that the bishops do not need to provide "permission", it is the responsibility of the priest to meet the request of the parishioners and if unable then the bishop must fulfill the request. The motu proprio makes no mention of limitations or bishops limiting the use of the traditional Mass.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 5:41 PM By seal
The Vicar of Christ issued an orde, so obey it! Ah, you're not convinced? Let me use some substitution technique to my earlier statement: "Jesus issued an order, so obey it." Restore the TLM.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 7:14 PM By JCR
seal: Jesus has nothing to do with the TLM. He did not institute it, He never celebrated it and, quite frankly, He never spoke a word of latin in his life!
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 11:11 PM By m
JCR: Please check your facts. Of course Jesus spoke Latin. Even the devils understand Latin and they fear it, if you believe the Chief Exorcist Fr. Amorth. From a Catechism book prior to Vatican II, "Mass is said in Latin because Latin is the official language of the Western Church." And it still is. I can assure you though, that Jesus didn't speak English.
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Posted Monday, September 17, 2007 11:46 PM By John L. Sillasen
So is that why Jesus was silent when the Roman Pontius Pilate was talking to Him was that He didn't understand Latin? Oh wait, it gets more mysterious: Fifteen centuries of TLM and Jesus wasn't there! Do you know where in the world He was all those centuries?
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:23 AM By Andrea Guzman
Dear, JCR you sound just like the Protestant heretics and what they have always said about the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, also I did not know you were around when Jesus Christ was. Since Judea was a "Roman" colony and Latin was the lingua-franca at the time how can you say Jesus "never" spoke a word of Latin??? Your dislike of the Traditional Latin Mass is sad, but is typical of "Novus Ordinarian" tolerance or lack of!!! Don't be afraid of the T.L.M. it has saved millions of souls! Deo Gratias
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 12:40 PM By Rose Ann Maritzmo
M is right on about Latin, the devils do fear it and yes they understand it very well!! Jesus being God and the Son of God understands all languages!! Please JCR don't let your distain of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in Latin blind you to the truth!! Check out the Traditional Mass I think you will fall in love with it and our Lord as well!! God bless JCR and pray for me
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:45 PM By choir instructor
I am a church organist and guitarist who play for the Novus Ordo Mass. Last September 13, on the eve befure the implementation of TLM, my guitar inexplicably broke by itself. Its an expensive classical guitar which I used to play for the Mass for more than fifteen years. I guess I will not be buying a new one. Organ and chants will be fine.
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:40 PM By Puttss
None of you has enough life left to listen to me tell you about the drunken priests, the stream of "faithful" arriving at the "Our Father" and sneaking out at the line-up for communion at the altar rail, the 15 minute low Masses and the 40 minute high Masses, the ten people who went to communion at the 6:00 AM, the 7:00 AM and the "children's Mass" to be followed by the 10:00 and 11:00 with no communions. And of course you don't want to hear about the young children who were forced to attend Mass with a sermon in French, Italian, Portuguese or Polish, et al. even though they didn't understand what was supposed to be their mother tongue. You don't want to hear about the men going outside to smoke during the sermon. This was while I was growing up in the early 40's to the mid 50's and attending a parochial school. To top it all off, my God father was an alcoholic homosexual. I don''t want to hear you say that there is less grace distributed through the world thanks to the increase of Tridentine Masses than with the Mass in the vernacular. I remind you all that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:03 PM By JCR
AG and others: Read your history, the latin of the Roman Empire was classical latin...not the renaissance latin of the 1500's when the Mass of of Pope Pius V was revised following the Council of Trent. Jesus, most certainly, according to reputable historians and Scripture Scholars, did not celebrate the Last Supper in Latin. By the way, AG, I am a practicing Roman Catholic in good standing with the Church and am a weekly communicant.
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:05 PM By mark
If the devil fears latin, lets keep the language.
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:19 PM By Rex
When the Romans nailed the latin message at the top of the cross, the Jewish clergy immediately protested to Pontius Pilate because they didn't like the 'message'. It seems to me they understood latin very much. But today, people are protesting both the 'message' and the 'language.'
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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:25 PM By Jay
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We got our wish!!!!!!!!!!!!! The TLM will be celebrated every Suday at 2:30 at Sacred Heart in Palm Desert by Fr. Speno. Of course there's no advertisment for it, so you heard it here first, people!!!!!!
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Posted Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:23 AM By Bored
JCR, you surprise me. What exactly is the difference between the so called classical latin and renaissance latin? First time for me to hear there are two latins.
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Posted Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:13 PM By Puttss
Bored:
About 600 to 1,000 or more years. Every language evolves over time and Latin is no exception. There are some rather large differences.
Did you ever try to read Chaucer in the original language?
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Posted Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:35 PM By Catechist
Brothers/sisters: do not bicker whether Christ spoke Latin. He spoke Aramaic(and perhaps basic Greek?). Maybe basic Latin terms as well. The Last Supper was definitely not in Latin. The Jews at His time spoke Aramaic and Greek. Latin became the Church language because we are Roman Catholics , with our Pope in Rome, hence Latin unites the Church. One Church, One language = Unity. Since Vatican II, mass became vernacular to be more understandable to the people. This did not mean Latin was trashed by the Church. So whether Latin or not, the Mass is still a Holy Sacrifice. God bless us all. Catholics should not fight each other. Pax Christi Vobiscum.
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Posted Monday, September 24, 2007 1:40 AM By Marcus
Yes, both masses are holy. Its just that the sound of base guitar, drums, electric guitar, and clapping distract me from serious prayer. The shallow melodies doesn't sound very spiritual to me. It reminds me of pop songs. But the mass is still valid.
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Posted Friday, September 28, 2007 12:35 PM By DJ -- Just Dust
George your investigation is accurate, and correct the modern bishops do have control in their diocese over how the traditional latin mass is implemented. It is not the way some of us were thought to believe. Goes to show we should all check information and credibility of sources and not rely on hearsay. This is clearly evident in Benedict XVIths explanatory letter on “SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM” to his bishops, “Growth and Progress, But no Rupture” dated 7 July 2007 and found on the Vatican website Zenit.org, in paragraphs 11 and 12. What is worrisome is paragraph 13 where if serious difficulties are reported in three years, a remedy will be sought. From the fifth paragraph of the letter: “As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a “Forma extraordinaria” of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and consequently, in principle was always permitted”. . . . “And I have seen how arbitrary deformation of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church”. Even Benedict XVIth has recognized deformation of the liturgy that which true good shepherds like Archbishop Lefebvre saw nearly 30 years ago. Did the Society of St Pope Pius the Xth (SSPX) have something to do with this Motu Proprio? Makes me wonder how the SSPX is being treated now? Will SSPX parishes be welcomed into the modern Vatican II regional dioceses? Are they now accepted? Are the modern bishops recommending or encouraging interested catholics to attend the SSPX parishes? If not why not? If interested catholics are encouraged to attend local SSPX parishes, then why should we wait or for how long? The SSPX with their validly ordained holy priests have been providing the valid 7 Holy Sacraments (including the Tridentine Latin Mass) for several years in reverent manner and churches as it was world-wide before Vatican II.
Editor's note: Two sacraments require permission of the local ordinary (faculties) to be valid (not just licit, but valid -- that is, to actually "work") -- confession and matrimony. SSPX priests do not possess faculties from local ordinaries.
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Posted Saturday, October 20, 2007 4:29 AM By Mary Alexander
To find a Traditional Latin Mass near you come visit:
www.latinmassnetwork.net and select the "Find a Latin Mass" on the right hand side. You can search using your zip code or pick other search options and search by city and state.
Thanks,
Mary
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Posted Monday, March 17, 2008 1:08 PM By Kenny
The Bishops permission is no longer required for these Masses to be offered. Though he should be informed and needs to approve the use of Church property. BUT the whole poinr of the document is that the local Bisops approval is no longer necessary.
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Posted Saturday, August 01, 2009 10:38 PM By Jay Rosso
why not get rid of the Spanish Masses as well as English, its not too different from Latin
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Posted Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:43 AM By michael
i am coming to santa rosa in June -could anyone tell me the nearest Tridentine mass in the area -prefer society of St pius X -but will attend fraternity of st Peter or the "indult Mass" Thanks
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