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No more “pick and choose”

San Francisco archdiocesan newspaper columnist comes out against Catholic political compromise


Notes from a Cultural Madhouse

By Christopher Zehnder


I generally don’t like reading most diocesan newspapers. I find them rather middle-of-the-road affairs, unwilling to take strong stances (where such are necessary) in opposition the prevailing culture or in addressing the real controversies that beset the Church today. Diocesan papers savor too much of the milk of human kindness than of the strong wine of truth and right.

Every once and a while, however, I find a fine article in a diocesan newspaper. One such article was a recent piece in Catholic San Francisco, the newspaper of the San Francisco archdiocese. It was a guest commentary, “American Catholic structural polarization,” and was written by George Wesolek, director of the archdiocese’s Office of Public Policy and Social Concerns.

In this piece, Wesolek states the obvious -- “further polarization in the Catholic community will happen during this presidential election season.” This polarization, he says, is “poisonous and infectious to the ecclesial community” and “makes us increasingly ineffective in living out Catholic social teaching and producing change for social justice.”

Wesolek traces this polarization among Catholics back 34 years to a decision by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops to “set up a separate Pro-life ministry with its own staff and network right across the hall from its office for Social Development and World Peace (Justice and Peace).” This move, says Wesolek, “set in motion a chain of developments that has compartmentalized Catholic social teaching and helped to create two Catholic constituencies.”

One of the constituencies mentioned by Wesolek concerns itself with “justice and peace” issues – poverty, economic justice, accessibility to health care, war, and capital punishment. The other constituency concerns itself almost solely with “life issues” – abortion and euthanasia. “These two constituencies,” Wesolek notes, “often have little in common; have opposite worldviews regarding culture and politics and, frankly, dislike each other.”

The great evil of the dichotomizing of Catholic social teaching is that the two constituencies – justice and peace Catholics on the one hand, pro-life Catholics on the other – each come to ignore important aspects of Catholic social teaching. The people in these constituencies, says Wesolek, “pick and choose their favorite Catholic social teaching concept and discard or trivialize other important elements.” This has allowed Catholic politicians, says Wesolek, “to claim the mantle of faith by using terminology, sometimes taken directly from the ‘Compendium on Catholic Social Teaching,’ to describe their beliefs about the poor, the unborn and the like,” while they “proclaim only part of the teaching, not all of it.”

Wesolek notes how the creation of the two constituencies has given Catholics cover to ignore important aspects of Church teaching. The Justice and Peace folks, for instance, says Wesolek, “quickly grabbed onto Cardinal Joseph Bernadin's ‘consistent ethic of life’ metaphor implying if not asserting outright that certain Catholic politicians who were pro-abortion made up for it by being good (and therefore acceptable under the Catholic mantle) on a host of other issues on the spectrum: poverty, health care, etc.” Such defenders of the “consistent ethic of life” end by denying the centrality of being pro-life. They “will overlook a Catholic politician's perfect 100 percent rating by NARAL (National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws) and do anything to elect them with an equal amount of passion,” says Wesolek. “Although it is now difficult (one hopes) to maintain Catholic identity and be ‘pro choice,’ they survive by winking and nodding at the abortion issue, basically trivializing it.”

Wesolek notes, however, that the pro-life constituency has not been blameless, for it has “developed a tunnel vision approach, which would not even mention any other issue regarding the poor other than abortion.” The singular concentration on the issue abortion drove pro-life Catholics “completely into the embrace of the Republican Party,” which “brought with it support for no tax-and-spend policies and a philosophy of government that does not align with classical Catholic social teaching and Vatican encyclicals of the last 100 years.”

What both constituencies miss, says Wesolek, is that Church teaching “does not have different principles for different social issues. There is no set of Catholic teaching that applies only to life issues or only to issues of economic or social justice.” At the core of Catholic social teaching, says Wesolek, “is the anthropological assertion that every human being has a dignity that is sacred -- that every person is made in the imago Dei regardless of race or creed, whether rich or poor, smart or not, athletic or disabled. That principle extends from the moment of conception until the moment of natural death and includes everybody in between.” So it is that the Church concerns herself with and advocates for “the African who lives on less than 65 cents a day, for the millions of children with no medicine who die before the age of five, for those with no food or shelter both abroad and in our own country, for the unborn and the vulnerable elderly.”

Wesolek notes how, over the past 30 years or so years, “there has been a gradual evolution of the [U.S.] bishops' clarity on Catholic social teaching,” with their rejection of “the confusion about abortion and euthanasia being ‘one of many issues on the spectrum of life.’” The next step in bridging the social justice/life issues gap, Wesolek suggests, is to join – both at the diocesan and national level – peace and justice and pro-life offices into one office directed toward Catholic social action. “A unified structural model of social action works. Both the life constituency and the peace and justice constituency get the same message,” says Wesolek. “The action on behalf of justice at the ‘Walk for Life’ and at the Conference on Global Poverty model to them the completeness of the Catholic social teaching message. Pro-life people are becoming aware and supporting action for the poor, supporting the end to the death penalty, while ‘justice’ people are marching at the West Coast Walk For Life.”

I cannot help but agree with most of what Mr. Wesolek has said about the polarization in the Catholic Church in the U.S. Though members of a universal institution that spans centuries, American Catholics seem incapable of rising above the petty division of their own time. I suppose this only witnesses to the power of culture to influence our minds and habits – and American Catholics do not live in a Catholic culture. But, while we don’t live in such a culture, it is our task to form a Catholic culture within our families, our parishes, and larger Catholic groups, and this task must begin with a renewed attention to the fullness of Catholic teaching in all areas, and more particularly, in the political and social realm. It is good to see that, in the pages of a diocesan newspaper, someone like George Wesolek addressing an issue that seriously compromises the Catholic witness in this country.


READER COMMENTS

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:31 AM By Jim Swinnen
A very good, thoughtful article. If, however, the Life issues drove some Catholics into the arms of the Republican Party, the justice and peace Catholics seem to have adopted, without modification, the platform of the DNC. I recognize that as Christians we have obligations to help materially all who are in need. However, I find nothing in Catholic social teaching or the Bible which authorizes me to delegate government to act as my agent in these matters, or to take the income or property of another, no matter how rich, to achieve this end. When govenment does it, the effect is not alleviation of poverty or injustice (look at the dismal results from the "War on Poverty"). It is merely a scheme to buy off particular constituencies for the next election cycle. Any merger of the two groups at the diocesan level must insure that the Chancery doesn't become a branch office of the local pols.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:05 AM By Larry
Keep these issues separate both in organisation and funding. Most church organizations are "liberal" and thay will take over the group and the funding. I want my money contribution to go to the pro life group. If you don't have life what else matters.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:42 AM By Sick and Tired
My Labrador could probably recognize the logical correlation between the "two sides." Thank you for stating the obvious and somehow spinning it as being astute, observant and "gutsy." These writers and editors need to pedal faster. They're falling way behind.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:57 AM By Margie R
Interesting take on the subject. I would ask all of you seekers of truth to pray that more Catholic writers and publications will take on the prevailing Culture of Death. I just had a conversation yesterday with a frustrated and faithful Catholic who is opposed in every step by the powerful "peace and justice" opposition in her church. Thankfully, there is a priest in her parish who out trumps the social justice crowd. Frankly, I find prolifers involved in all aspects of social justice but the crossover from SJ Catholics to prolife is very limited. How I wish they would march with us through the streets of San Francisco in the West Coast Walk for Life! How I wish they would stop viewing Planned Parenthood as a benevolent and kindly organization. How I wish they would not ignore the fact that politicians with a hatred for the unborn do not make good leaders in our society.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:18 AM By Mickmont
There is a great deal of truth to Mr. Wesolek's comments! The compartmentalization of different facets of Catholic teaching with regard to the issues of faith and morals has done great harm to the average laypersons understanding of the Church's teaching on justice across the board. This issue needs to be treated at greater length and with greater distinction for it dovetails perfectly with the comments of Cardinal Stafford from two weeks ago and the great damage that ecclesiastical dissent has produced for the faithful, such that there often seems to be two parallel notions of our moral obligations at work within the Church.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:22 AM By Thomas
There you go right wing catholic's, something good came OUT of San Francisco, see, we are not all drag queens or homosexual !!!

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:31 AM By John F. Maguire
Since Catholic social teaching is keyed to the common good of persons and institutions, one-sidedly narrow positions on any issue going to that common good fails the test of that very teaching. For example, the militant and rightful insistance that pre-born infants be included within that common good cannot be allowed to scant other crucial issues which, though far and away lacking the sort of primacy that accrues to the need to protect pre-born life, nonetheless go directly to that common good. On the other hand, the slogan "consistent ethic of life" attempts to prejudge other life issues than abortion *a priori*--an intellectually dishonest move (now happily dropped.) Nor yet can the "consistency" slogan be allowed to neutralize, even partially, the primary responsibility that devolves upon us to include--as persons--pre-born infants within the compass of the common good of persons. Still, worried talk of "polarization" sometimes is code for a nostalgia for "bloc" unity in party-politics ("the Catholic vote"). But that too is a mistake: the unity of the Catholic Church is one of the four marks that distinguish the Church of Christ ("one, holy, catholic, apostolic"). It is needless and naive to suppose that this unity must needs be reflected in a voting-bloc unity.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:49 AM By Camille
Both Zehnder and Wesolek are wrong regarding the social values held by pro life people. As example, the online version of the SF newspaper carries the Wesolek article and right under it is an ad for their Faithful voter conference in which they say they will be discussing social justice issues, BUT NOT PRO LIFE ISSUES. The Wesolek article suggests that the only true Catholic is a Democrat and the only true Democrat supports governmental interference in every aspect of individual human life. He follows the Hillary Clinton philosophy that it is only the elite of the citizenry who can truly decide what is best for everyone. Under the Democrats privacy and autonomy of individual actions and values rule, moral virtues are gone, group think and action is the value of the day. Yes, it is unfortunate that abortion and contraception have been separated from justice in the minds of some Catholics but its not the pro life Catholics who have done the separating.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:10 AM By Elizabeth
Looks like my prayers for the Archdiocese of San Francisco are being heard! Now, we need to get the AB on board...... More prayers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:11 AM By Puttss
Right on Chris. I'm glad you brought this to our attention. I never would have given it a thought on my own. I personally am not a "wing" person, right or left, but this piece opened my eyes to a reality that I never had paid much attention to. Thanks.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:25 AM By Elizabeth
I hope Mr. Wesolek can get the word out to the AB as I have said in an earlier post..... And that the Pastor's will LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see alot of what Mr. Wesolek talks about in the Parish I belong to here on the San Francisco peninsula!!!!!

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:30 AM By Jan Wnek
Excellent commentary, Christopher..... Pax, Jan

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:44 AM By Tom Byrne
The polarization exists because so many older Catholics and clergy who were raised in mid-20c America unthinkingly identified being a "loyal American Catholic" with "voting progressive" = supporting the Democratic establishment. We drifted with the tide of things while it seemed to be going our way (as it often did then), and so lost the muscle we needed to swim against it when the tide turned (as is always does). Our bishops encouraged this (witness Gibbons' utterly crawly letter supporting Wilson's conscription in WWI). None of us read the signs of times as we should have. In reuniting these two wings, let us remember that CATHOLIC social teaching on the poor does not always coincide with "PROGRESSIVE" political programs proposing to serve the same. Let us also take note where it does (and does not) allow room for prudential judgments.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:49 AM By Vincent
The main problems with Wesolek's analysis are 1. His premise that prolifers generally fail to accept other Catholic social teachings is false. 2. The situation of the prolife group and the "everything but prolife" group are not symmetrical. While current issues other than abortion cannot be ignored, they are objectively less urgent and have lower moral priority. Therefore, prolifers are correct, and in full conformity with Catholic moral teaching, when they give abortion a higher priority than other current issues, and Catholics who fail to do so are incorrect. Attempting to assess blame equally may be politically correct, but it is morally and factually wrong.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:24 AM By betty
Interesting. I've always wondered why there was such a split and wht there was Father Pavone on one hand and the parish priest who told me that he didn't want to have anything to do with it when I asked him if I could post some ProLife items on the bulletin board at the rear of the church. He didn't want to discuss it or give me any reasons why he didn't want to have anything to do with it. Why was he so unwilling to give me any reasons for his reply?

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:51 AM By Dai Yoshida
I agree with Vincent. I'm pro-life but I actively support programs for the poor and other Catholic social services. (I also support gun-control which makes me very unpopular in Mid-Michigan.) I personally don't know any pro-lifers who ignore other Catholic social teachings. But I know too many pro-abortion advocates who claims to accept other Catholic social teachings and therefore are good Catholics.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:55 AM By Cyrus Johnson
There is a movement afoot to equate defense of life with ameliorating diminishment in the quality of life. In my little opinion this is a false equation because without life there is no room for the receipt of food, shelter, or any of the goods of social justice. Social justice is preceded by social existence (or else it ought to be). Christ's message was to give one's life for another. Abortion is the precise inverse of this. For this reason the basic human right of life it is paramount above all others. Does anyone else wonder about the recent fad of equating life itself with life-without-suffering, and wonder whom this equation benefits (especially in our upcoming presidential race)?

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:29 AM By Art of Redding
Hey THOMAS try this out.... There you go LEFT wing catholic's, something good came OUT of San Francisco, see, we are not all drag queens or homosexual !!!

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:52 AM By Blackie
It is absolutely not true that GOP policies are out of line with Catholic social teaching, as Wesolek falsely claims. And starting with Richard Nixon in 1969, the GOP has implemented ever more massive social spending. George W. Bush's budgets have contained far more social spending than Slick Willie Clinton's. There is zero justification for voting for the Democrats because of social spending.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:53 AM By Tom Byrne
Dai: Your support for gun control is a perfect example of legitimate prudential judgment, just as much as my general opposition to it. Wesolek was not clear on this and other points. Support for Catholic social teaching does not require group-think.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:16 PM By Grisha
Christopher - I liked both your essay and Wesolek's original article. I think however the cause of the divergence was not the organizational decision of the USCCB, but rather stylistic difference of the two constituencies. Look no further than the "Cease all Religious Activities or face Legal Action. Everyone sees what happened as a wrong, but the approaches are radically different. "Traditional" c Catholics view "Mainstream" Catholics as having insufficient faith and piety. "Mainstream Catholics see the "Trads" as being so out of touch with the modern world that they're essentially useless when it comes to practical social action.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:36 PM By Guillermo Bustamante
Polarization avoidance, is a code phrase for: "let's all be Cafetería Catholics". Same way with the word "charity": is used to let the protestantizer venom, so spreaded in USA, to approve the USCCB shameful NON apology, in displaying proabortion lawmakers (Pelosi: 'I'm OK with my bishop'), committing horrendous sacrilege. Is being charitable, crucifying Jesus again under the lenses of global-tv-audiences? Public mockery of the Vicar Christ by the USCCB, leads this nazi contraband: the abortion chambers are one of the "MANY" social issues. As a scandalized Roman Catholic abroad I beg you:. Please, join any Protestant denomination of your liking, polarized if you wish, and do not discredit Rome.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:07 PM By John L. Sillasen
Dai Yoshida, gun control is critical to the safe operation of guns. Anyone using a gun needs to deploy the greatest of control, in all respects.

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:44 PM By Grisha
Guillermo - I don't know you, but if you dismiss me as a cafetetria Catholic and I dismiss you as a holy roller Catholic, how can we work together?

Posted Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:50 PM By John L. Sillasen
Interesting combo, holy roller and cafeteria Catholics!!! The only solution is to watch "The Blues Brothers" one more time.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:18 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Grisha, I see the USCCB's organizational decision vis-a-vis the division of offices as a symptom rather than a cause.While it is true, I think, that "traditionalist" Catholics tend to take a dim view of modernity (at least in some areas -- there is nothing more moderne than economic liberalism, which many "traditional" and "conservative" Catholics champion) and "mainstream" Catholics seem rather comfortable with it, the ultimate problem is a lack of engagement, on both sides, with the fullness of Catholic tradition and teaching. Catholics define themselves by "sides" which have been formed outside the Catholic milieu and try to fit being Catholic into being "conservative" or "progressive," in the secular, political sense of those terms. This seems to me the crux of the problem.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:21 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Mr. Bustamante, Avoiding polarization is important where the polarization is based, not on truth and right, but on custom and habit. Catholics are polarized today, sometimes on the basis of truth and right but in other cases, on the basis of ideologies that are not Catholic. The Faith brings unity, based on truth; but we have to be willing to embrace the truth, as well. Catholics on both the "conservative"/"progressive" divide dismiss Church teachings which they find inconvenient and so create division where there should be unity.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:23 AM By Guillermo Bustamante
Grisha, John et protestantizers: Clarification is the base of honest work: Cafetería-supermarket-a-la-carte Catholics, are Protestants who do not follow Rome. Holy roller adjectives try to dismiss those following the Pope. In USA nobody is puting a pistol in your head to be Catholic. If you are honest disagreeing with the Vatican (that includes some scandalous bishops), then choose other denomination, and not pretend that you know better than the Vicar of Christ. Regards

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:24 AM By Grisha
Guillermo: Are you calling John L. and I "protestantizers?" Like "homosexualist" this is another new word coined at CCD. Pretty soon we'll have our own language and no one outside our little cult will understand us. Look to Scientology as a good example of a bad example in this area. Maybe instead of talking about "holy rollers" (admittedly a bigoted term I learned a in anti-Catholic Fresno. Got my front teeth knocked out for wearing my Our lady of Victory uniform and still pissed about it!) we should accept the conservative gastronomic model and talk about Smorgasbord Catholics and Prixe Fixe Catholics. This name calling just takes up column inches and produces heat, but not light.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:01 PM By Guillermo Bustamante
Grisha: Please re-read my clarification: Cafetería equals Protestant. Name calling (Price Fixe et all), is you keep inventing me positions that are not mine. My position is ENTIRELY Roman. Just study "Roma locuta est, causa finita est". Mr. Zehnder: No more “pick and choose” is an agreeable title, to unify us around the Vatican Encyclicals truth, with integrity. Cordially

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:33 PM By gRISHA
Guillermo Bustamante: The terms Cafeteria, morgasbord and Prixe Fixe for different types of Catholics are so vague as to be useless for discussion. I'm glad you think your positions are entirely Roman. I think mine are too. Christopher, John L. and others here think theirs are too. Similarly Garry Matatics who went to WYD to "expose" the Pope and Pope Pius XII (A 100 year old anti pope) think theirs are too.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:10 PM By John L. Sillasen
Guillermo Bustamante, would you please tell us what the Vicar of Christ says, so that we will not go astray? Now, we're trusting you to get it right. Is that fair enough?

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:18 PM By John L. Sillasen
If Mr. Bustamante hangs in long enough here, someone will be able to explain to him that the Magisterium is not a watch that was created and left in the form of written documents for the purpose memorizing them exactly and then the best memorizer rules in the name of the popes. We went through this same issue last year, where some people believe that they read better than others, and therefore are the pope incarnate. God actually showed us that this does not work, when He gave the Stone Tablets of His Law to Moses. Century upon century passed and still no one could get it right; then God put Himself at our disposal, and keeps us all enlightened through the popes. The mystery remains as to why Moses couldn't make it happen but the popes can.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:56 PM By Gregorian
Jim Swinnen, BRILLIANT comment. The social justice types -- even the Catholic ones -- always look to government as if it were the hand of God. And they turn blind eyes to the HORROR (and I don't use that term lightly) that misguided attempts at redistribution of wealth have caused in the poor neighborhoods of America. Government can't eliminate poverty or even alleviate poverty. We, as individuals and private sector groups, can. Also, what Zehnder and Wesolek fail to mention is that certain issues, particularly Life issues, have no room for disagreement in Catholic teaching. However, there is plenty of room for disagreement on just what is the best way to help the poor. Bernadin and his ilk thought it was as simple as taking from the rich and giving to the poor. That idea has proven to be a disaster. Such gov't programs have absolutely ravaged the Family in the poor neighborhoods of America. I'm not a "tunnel-visioned" pro-lifer for rejecting that kind of thinking.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:34 PM By Christopher Zehnder
What Mr. Gregorian misses is that, while Catholics can disagree on measures to bring about justice, they may not disagree on the end of justice itself. For instance, Catholics may disagree about what is the best means to assure a just wage, but they may not disagree with the moral imperative that an employer pay a just wage. And while Catholics may disagree whether a particular war is just or not, they may not disagree that using means that in themselves fail to distinguish civilian or military targets is immoral. In other words, the moral principles of Catholic social teaching are not open for disagreement -- but I have spoken to many anti-abortion Catholics who openly disagree with nearly every prinicple of Catholic social teaching and, instead, adopt the principles of economic liberalism, political libertarianism, or those that arise from the old canard, "all's fair in love and war."

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:48 PM By Grisha
Christopher - I would add that Catholics may also disagree on the best way to reduce the number of abortions in the country and the world.

Posted Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:19 PM By Christopher Zehnder
Grisha, They may disagree on that, to a point. If the question were merely, what's the best way to reduce abortions, I could conceive some divergence of opinion. If the question were, however, "should the government stand by and allow murder," then I do not think there is room for agreement. To refuse to protect the innocent represents an abdication of one of the government's most important tasks, since it is basic to justice. We would not tolerate an adult mudering an adult with impunity -- how could we tolerate it, then, when an adult murders an unborn child?.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 7:34 AM By Don L
I'm still waiting for a "social issues - big government solves all" Catholic who understands and accepts the principle of subsidiarity?

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 10:04 AM By Grisha
Christopher - "Should" is one thing. Strategy is another. Now, the federal government and that of the several states can not "not allow" i.e. re criminalize, abortion. The pro life movement's political strategy of focusing on Roe v. Wade hasn't worked and is less likely to work in the future. It's time to have a conversation about what support for a Lincoln-Davis Act type of initiative and a hundredfold increase in support to Birthright (starting with a national second collection) would do to reduce the abortion a rate in the US

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 10:21 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Grisha, You refer to a situation -- like our own -- where it is not practically possible to illegalize abortion. In such a situation, Catholics may, I think, disagree on whether to devote their energies to the legal aspect or, abandoning that (because it is deemed impracticable), pursue other methods. The latter strategy would not signify an abandonment of the principle that abortion should be illegal, only an acknowledgement that that is simply not going to happen.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 10:23 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Don L., Who mentionend anything about the sole sufficiency of big government and denied subsidiarity?

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 11:11 AM By Gregorian
CZ says "I have spoken to many anti-abortion Catholics who openly disagree with nearly every prinicple of Catholic social teaching and, instead, adopt the principles of economic liberalism, political libertarianism" Do they disagree with the Church's teaching, or with your interpretation thereof? Even within the church's teaching on these things, there is a rather wide area for disagreement when it comes to the practical implementation of these principles. Not so with the abortion issue. Still, I grant the point that our Catholicism ought to inform more than one political issue.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 11:32 AM By John L. Sillasen
Thirtynine years of legal abortion in California, and nobody has yet to come up with a way to outlaw it ... one year for each stripe of flesh and blood that was ripped out of the back of Jesus, on the first round.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 2:47 PM By Christopher Zehnder
Mr. Gregorian, The disagreements were in the context of what the popes have actually said, not my interpretations thereof. They were along the lines of, "Popes Leo XIII and Pius XI were wrong when they said a worker has a right to a just wage." Or, "the popes have no authority in the economic sphere and so we may ignore the social encyclicals" -- when, it is pointed out that the popes (particularly Pius XI) have said they do have authority to speak to economic matters, insofar as morality is involved in them. Too, when I give my take on papal social teaching, I am careful to argue from the texts themselves. Rarely have I received the response, "your interpretation is wrong, here's why..." but, rather, some sort of variation on the accusation of being socialist or in favor of "big government." In fine, by my experience, "conservative" Catholics rarely show any regard or respect for the social encyclicals. They either ignore them simply, give them a dutiful nod from afar (while not engaging them), dismiss them as impractical or utopian, or actively reject them.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 4:20 PM By John L. Sillasen
Chris, what you say about conservative Catholics is the basis for why I try to implore them to become more integrated with the whole of the Church, instead of frittering away in their concerns for wealth. My words may seem ironic, yet the cares of this world have a hierarchy and the higher people get on this ladder, the less balance they have in the spiritual domain. I'm calling it a major problem in the Church. Many of them make themselves prominent in the pro-life movement, and have said for decades that victory is near ... where were they when Terri Schiavo was being tortured to death? None of the wealthy and powerful came to her rescue; none of them supported Fr. Frank Pavone who tried to console her in the role forced on her by the government which resembled that of a felon on the gallows with a priest by her side. How can the upper levels of Catholicism allow this to happen? I believe it has to do with their disregard for exactly what you are holding forth time after time, the social encyclicals. Modern man has found a way to feather the nests in a fragmented society ... with all the attendant droppings falling to the ground where most people live. The Church has taught how wrong this is ... not that wealth is wrong, but the way it is being handled in our times ... as I see it. Now, corollary problem is this, that Marxism has edged its way into the cleft, and thus the good intentions of the Christian public to do social good is being distorted by both the Marxists and the wealthy Catholics, who somehow have not figured out yet how to resolve this problem.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 4:25 PM By Gregorian
Those who reject Popes Leo and Pius's social teaching are, of course, wrong. But you can believe in the Pope's teachings and still be a small government thinker. You can believe in their teachings and still understand that redistribution of wealth is a destructive principle. You can believe in their teachings and still understand that raising the minimum wage every two years is a silly symbolic gesture that only causes inflation and, ultimately, job loss. You can believe in the Pope's teachings and still understand that cutting taxes helps people more than taxing them. You can believe in the Pope's teachings and still firmly believe that the role of government is not to act as nanny and provider to the governed.

Posted Friday, August 15, 2008 11:00 PM By John L. Sillasen
Gregorian, if you believe, you act. Trust, belief, faith ... these are verbs. Verbum Dei, Jesus is a Verb, the Verb of God, the action of God. Recall Jesus' tale of the Good Samaritan, and how the men of means failed the injured man. Not one man or woman of means intervened in the torture death of Terri Schiavo, not in any full sense. So you are free to believe any kind of political theory you can find, but if you let down those who have been trampled on, then what good is your political theory? Please spare the arguments that rich people improve the economy; of course they do; but that's not the point. Rather that's simply how money and business works ... regardless of theories. Men buy and sell, and that's about the essential lesson of how the world works. Regardless of your theories, they mean nothing unless you buy and sell, which is where the rubber meets the road. But there was evidently no way anyone could find to save Terri Schiavo from a torturous death ... nobody of influence in politics or business willing to intervene. Amazing how some men in battle will sacrifice their own lives for those of others, but no one rose to this level for Terri ... do you know of any political/economic theories which might suggest how to do such a good samaritan deed?

Posted Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:45 PM By Mac
Yes, it was Card. Bernaden's Seamless Garmet that turned many of us into pro-life Republicans suspicious and disliking most of our bishops who seemed wedded to the Democrat Party. How convenient it was and is for most clergy -- both priests and bishops -- to make a passing reference to the wrong of abortion, then swing rapidly into a long sermon teaching us the need to "feed the poor" as thou the majority of RCs are too stupid to know that is so important. Anything to avoid mentioning abortion or even contraception -- an other no-no word no cleric should ever utter least their parishoneers avoid the collection plate.

Posted Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:40 AM By Anne T.
John Sillasen, rest assured that If Michael Shiavo is guilty of what Terri's family says he is, his present family will remember at the end of his life. He too will get the same.

Posted Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:38 PM By Fr. M.P.
A real Catholic supports all the teachings of the Church. Those who pick and choose - cafeteria style - are not Catholic at all, in spite of their claim otherwise. What seems to be in practice is that those teachings which are non-compromisable, pro-life, are populated by solid fully believing Catholics. I do not find pro-lifers rejecting other teachings in my experience. What is also all too common is the dissenters, who hide behind the label of social justice, populate much of the "justice" named ministries. Look at many of the heretics reported on by this site and see how many claim to support social justice, but reject much of the non-compromisable Church teachings. Now true social justice is a prudential matter as guided by Catholic principles. The Church says that a man must be paid a just wage (the non-comprisable principle), but it is a prudential matter on how that is implemented and even how much is considered just, depending on circumstances. There can be legitimate disagreement on how to implement that. Life is not prudential but absolute (in that sense). One can never compromise on life (e.g. euthanasia, abortion). The result is a hierarchy of values, and life is always on top, and other matters are lower in the chain, based on prudence. One cannot compromise on non-compromisable matters because of lower ranking prudential matters, like immigration. Without life, no other rights matter. Getting to the root matter - following the true faith - will be the only answer to this problem. Reorganizing is merely a band-aid, and won't help with dissenters and believers battling in the same organization versus separate. All organization leaders need to be real Catholics, not these cafeteria heretics. Nor will reorganizing help with how one deals with non-compromisable and prudential matters. Those who follow the full faith will know how to deal with these issues regardless of how they are organized.

Posted Monday, August 18, 2008 10:06 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Gregorian, Who was proposing any of those positions? You are setting up straw men.

Posted Monday, August 18, 2008 10:15 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Fr. M.P. How, then, do you think the Church should address issues of social justice? How do we go about seriously applying the social encyclicals? The Church has laid down principles of social justice in order that they be applied. The fact that judgements concerning just wage and other such principles are more difficult to make indicates that they be seriously engaged and time spent working them out. The refrain, "these are prudential judgements," I've found, is merely a way of placing the social encyclicals on the back burner. One of course might think that, because abortion is so heinous, that we must ignore all other evils to concentrate on abortion. But the Church, in the person of the Holy Father, has not and does not do that. In fact, the Church continues to speak as often on social justice as she does on abortion. Why do you think that is?

Posted Monday, August 18, 2008 11:30 AM By Guillermo Bustamante
Thanks Father M.P. That was precisely my point, to the wolf-protestantizers in sheep-social teaching skins. Make a poll on the mentioned FACTS, if you dislike them, woe to you cafeteria-protestantizers, and write them 100 times in your notebooks! There are no worse blind, than who don't want to see. Posted Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:38 PM By Fr. M.P. A real Catholic supports all the teachings of the Church. Those who pick and choose - cafeteria style - are not Catholic at all, in spite of their claim otherwise. What seems to be in practice is that those teachings which are non-compromisable, pro-life, are populated by solid fully believing Catholics. I do not find pro-lifers rejecting other teachings in my experience. What is also all too common is the dissenters, who hide behind the label of social justice, populate much of the "justice" named ministries...All organization leaders need to be real Catholics, not these cafeteria heretics".

Posted Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:00 PM By Gregorian
C. Zehn. says, "The refrain, "these are prudential judgements," I've found, is merely a way of placing the social encyclicals on the back burner." OR... maybe it's a way to state the fact that they are indeed prudential judgments. The simple point is, good men can disagree on the implementation of these social principles. Ain't no room for disagreement on abortion. And C.Z. asked above "who is proposing those positions?" my answer is those are (generally) the positions of social justice Catholics who assume that people who believe in what are called "conservative" ideals of government are not believers in the church's social teachings.

Posted Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:27 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Gregorian, The point I and, I think, Mr. Wesolek have made is that pro-life Catholics have to engage the fullness of Catholic social teaching, as do "social justice" Catholics. The difficulty of the task only means that greater effort must be applied to it. That the task of understanding and implementing the social encyclicals is important is indicated by the fact that the Church has directed much time and effort to it -- including issuing recently a compendium on the subject. Mr. Wesolek has said that pro-life Catholics have to concern themselves with the social teaching while peace and justice Catholics have to attend to abortion. Why do you find this so objectionable? I might add that there are many thinkers who concern themselves with justice and peace and don't buy into the modern social welfare state. On the other hand, with the popes, they do not reject the role of the state in social affairs.

Posted Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:40 PM By Tiredofitall
This is such total b.s. The seamless garment, which is what Wesolek is promoting, has generally resulted in a watering down of the absolute evil of abortion versus other social evils, which generally do not compare in gravity. As was said above, if you do not have life, then what do you have? It make sense to separate this issue out IMHO. "nuff said already...

Posted Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:42 AM By Edward
Excellent Article, Chris. I remember not too long ago saying right here that if I could find a republican who held to most democratic principles, except two (you can probably figure out which two), I'd probably vote for him/her. Fact is, it ain't gonna happen; as a group they're often too focused on mammon. On the flip side, if I could find a democrat who held true to democratic tradition with the exception of those two principles, I'd probably vote for him/her. Fact is, that ain't gonna happen either; as a group they're often too focused on individual pursuits. Then, just as I get past those two considerations, I consider myself as an American and I have to ask myself honestly: does the religious belief inherent in my perspective inform my decision of what is right for the greater good, or does it dictate my decision to the point of denying others (who may not believe as I do) rights, that are considered reasonable outside the context of my belief. None of this is easy if you take each of these three components seriously. Ultimately I stand with my belief but I am wary of its influence on others due to its visceral nature and the history of being wrong "in the name of God." However I think it is important to realize that everyone is in a different state of their evolution of their faith and their citizenship and that we are all trying to balance what we believe as Christians with what we believe about the American Experiment. I think we must prod but I also think we must be patient. For me, I think the proposal in the article misses the point that these contrary point are what we are offered because they are profitable to those doing the offering.

Posted Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:25 PM By T Lewis
Removing Social Justice organizations from the Catholic Church FIRST would be the right direction to begin. Look at how many California Congressmen and women who are Catholic and claim to Democrats when in fact they always vote for Socialist Bills. What ever happened to the phrase that you can't be a Catholic and a socialist they are contradictory ideologies. These congressional leaders are themselves traitors not only to this country, but heretics to the Catholic Faith. Most of them support the reduction of punishment for murderers and are also pro abortion. So why have Pro Life and Peace and Justice be under the guise of one Catholic Charities. For sure Pro Life activities would ultimately disappear and anti-War activities would increase. Vatican II introduced socialism on a major scale, those Popes promoted this idea of the Catholic Church Modernizing/updating itself to the world's socialistic directions. Cafeteria Catholics are called this name because they pick and chose what they want over what Our Lord wants for us. Protestants became a major part of Vatican II, especially their pick and choose attitude and have impacted the Catholic Church with this notion of compromise. We need to return to being Catholics not doing any more compromising with the world like this gentleman George Wesolek has suggested be done to the Pro Life Movement. George sound good, but look at what he is saying. Stop the controversy by making Pro Life compromise with Peace and Justice branch of the church, who are nothing more than Socialist. Remember it is the socialist who gave us abortion in the first place. Seriously take a look at how many politicians in California are Catholic, if they were truly Catholic why do they vote against the very faith that they claim they are. It Hypocrisy – No wonder we can’t pass a budget in Sacramento.

Posted Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:54 AM By Cathal Gallagher
All of these other issues, however unjust, cannot rise to the level of killing a child.

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