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Published: December 8, 2008
“Exposed racism and statutory rape cover-up by Planned Parenthood”
UCLA undergraduate gets $50,000 award for her pro-life work
Editor's note: This is an update to our original story with a correction -- the amount of the award to Lila Rose was $50,000, not $100,000 as we incorrectly reported earlier.
Lila Rose, the feisty pro-life UCLA undergraduate who has been a constant thorn in the side of Planned Parenthood, has been awarded a $50,000 “Life Prize” by the Gerard Health Foundation of Natick, Massachusetts.
 Rose was among six of the first ever “Life Prize” recipients announced by the foundation last month. The foundation said in a statement that the awards go to “individuals or groups that have made unsurpassed strides in preserving and upholding the sanctity of human life. These winners have demonstrated their leadership and progress in pro-life achievements through public advocacy, scientific research, legal action, outreach and public discourse activities.”
The foundation’s statement described Lila Rose this way: “Founder of student pro-life organization Live Action and President of its UCLA chapter. She has launched several successful, undercover investigations that exposed the racism and statutory rape cover-up by Planned Parenthood.”
California Catholic Daily first wrote about Lila Rose in January 2007 when the then 18-year-old sophomore published an exposé on how UCLA health counselors pressure students to get abortions. The story appeared in the inaugural edition of The Advocate, a quarterly pro-life magazine that debuted on the UCLA campus on Jan. 22, 2007. “I have always been very concerned about how women in our society are pressured to have abortions,” Rose told California Catholic at the time, which is why she said she launched her investigation. After hearing second-hand accounts from other women at UCLA about how they were encouraged to have abortions at the student health center, Rose said she decided to go undercover as a co-ed who had inadvertently gotten pregnant to see what advice campus health counselors would provide.
In May 2007, The Advocate published another Lila Rose exposé after she posed as a 15 year old, went to a Santa Monica Planned Parenthood clinic and announced that a 23-year-old man had impregnated her. According to The Advocate, Planned Parenthood staff informed Rose that this constituted statutory rape -- and then encouraged her to "figure out a birth-date that works" in order to obtain the abortion and avoid getting the man in trouble with the police. Planned Parenthood staff assured Rose that if she said she was 16 or older, they wouldn't have to report the rape.
"California's mandatory reporting laws for statutory rape are supposed to protect pregnant minors," said Rose at the time. "Underage girls are being targeted by predators, and Planned Parenthood is busy covering up the evidence. How many other rapes has this one clinic covered up?"
In February 2008, Rose announced the results of yet another undercover investigation of Planned Parenthood. Rose hired an actor to pose as a prospective donor and had him call Planned Parenthood affiliates in five states, offering to give money to “lower the number of blacks in America” and other racially motivated reasons. Not one Planned Parenthood employee rejected the money, nor did any of them object to the racist rhetoric of the caller.
When Rose was 15, she founded Live Action in her hometown of San Jose, a youth group that today has chapters at UCLA and Claremont McKenna College. During her freshman year at UCLA, she began The Advocate, which has been integrated with Live Action Films. Life Action Films posts short videos of Rose’s investigations on sites like YouTube to give them broader distribution.
When Rose posted hidden-camera interviews to YouTube showing how Planned Parenthood employees encouraged her to hide statutory rape, Planned Parenthood of Los Angeles threatened to sue her. “I received an e-mail in my personal e-mail box on Sunday from the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood in Los Angeles,” Rose told California Catholic Daily at the time. The May 14 letter from Mary-Jane Wagle said Rose’s videos violate the California Invasion of Privacy Act because they were “apparently obtained through false pretenses and unlawfully” since the conversations “were surreptitiously recorded without the knowledge and consent of the PPLA employees.”
In early September, YouTube blocked four videos from Live Action over a two-week period, claiming the videos contained "inappropriate content." Among the blocked videos were telephone recordings of Planned Parenthood employees agreeing to process donations from the caller with the overtly racist agenda.
Despite the threats and harassment, Rose continues both The Advocate and Live Action Films. Now 20, she is a junior majoring in history.
In addition to Lila Rose, other recipients include: the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists; Richard Doerflinger, associate director of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops' Secretariat for Pro-Life Activities; Margaret "Peggy" Hartshorn, president of Heartbeat International, a network of more than 1,000 pregnancy resource centers; Jill Stanek, the nurse who first publicly exposed infanticide of abortion survivors and proponent of the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act; and Kay Coles James, founder and president of the Gloucester Institute, an outreach and education initiative for young African-Americans that recognizes “that the first civil right is life itself.”
The awards will be given at a ceremony in Washington, DC, on Jan. 23, 2009.
Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 12:17 AM By Charles O'Connell
The facade is beginning to crack: The suspension of the Bloomington Indiana employee counseling Lila to cross state lines to avoid Indiana's parental consent law, shows that the roaches are beginning to run.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 4:53 AM By JPeterman
May God bless and protect this woman, she's exposing the lie of abortion and planned parenthood to young women who would never get that message from someone in their own age group. She's exposing PP out in public to be the morally bankrupt baby killers that they are and showing how they're not there to help women but are rather the enemy of women.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 4:56 AM By Ron
God Bless Lila Rose . If the baby butchers at Planned Infanticide sue her I will be among the first to contribute to her legal defense fund. She is truly a Christian doing God's work while standing in a pit of vipers and yapping hyenas. God Bless.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 4:58 AM By Fr. M.P.
Good. Let more of the truth be exposed.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 6:32 AM By Eileen
God Bless you Lila Rose! It is very obvious that no one has deliberately confused you about the real meaning of proportionate reasoning.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 7:47 AM By Doyle
This is extremely good news. Lila Rose deserves this award more than anyone I can think of, and she also deserves a Presidential Medal of Honor. She's a true heroine in a age that has very few heroes of any kind.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 8:00 AM By Fulminator Ski Ven
Wow. What a woman! The baby killers have their hands full with her. Their evil deeds must be exposed. Excellent work!!
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 8:05 AM By john Zakharia
I saw her on the Orelly Factor. However the corrupt and left wing media rarely and seldom mention her
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 8:30 AM By Humberto
Good for her! Keep it up Lila! God Bless
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 8:53 AM By Richard E. Villamana
Praise the Lord and God Bless such a courageous young woman!! Planned Parenthood is the most evil organization, promoting promiscuity, subverting parental authority and profiteering in the murder of the unborn child. Planned Parenthood is a cancerous scourge in our society. They can be defeated through prayer, fasting and throught the legal system. The truth of Planned Parenthood's moral depravation must be exposed.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 9:03 AM By Lewis Perkins
Ms. Rose is an inspiration to me and countless others. She must be aware that there are ruthless people who will stop at nothing to discredit her and tear her down. May God be with her!
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 9:31 AM By simone_dubois
Congratulations, Lila Rose. Well done!
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 9:52 AM By Angie
Good for this young lady. We need more of her example in life and in the church, where statutory rape by clergy is running rampant.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 10:03 AM By Theo, Ventura
Lila is doing an excellent job as a member of the "Ecclesia Militans". We can be proud of her and should pray for her.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 10:10 AM By Tee
Go Lila Rose! Your exemplary courage is an inspiration to all! Thank you for your stalwart, creative leadership. Prayers that many may follow your example!
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 10:45 AM By Mark from PA
This is very interesting. So among other things Planned Parenthood is active in covering up rapes and protecting sexual predators. This article is surely food for thought. Lila Rose sounds like a courageous person.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 10:50 AM By DPMT
This young lady will be blessed by God for her stance on prolife and saving innocent babies lives. May God bless her and protect her as she continues her work for Him.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 11:14 AM By Will
This is a story worth publicising! 1) This shows that the "truth" about the atrocities of abortion, i.e. genocide is being heard and whot is so lcaking is a positive response. "All it takes is for a few men to be quite and evil triumphs!" But perhaps more significant is anyone listening
2) I also commend this youny lady for not only caring but acdtually doing something about the atrocitieys of abortion. She did something! God bless you and may other people be inspired to take an active stand and other's lives be impacted to chnge their minds if they were considering abourtion! Abortion should never be a viable option!
Will
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 11:55 AM By RayC55
You Go Girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 12:08 PM By nino mark
Let us all keep praying for her and other young adults to keep the courage going!!
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 12:09 PM By St. Christopher
This is an unbelievable story!! Ms. Rose is a wonderful young woman. And, the Gerard Health Foundation is to be especially praised, as well. It is absolutely necessary to use all means of media and the courts to expose the evil of abortion.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 12:33 PM By Travis
Lila, your undercover work is a Godsend. We need more people like you. You are an inspiration. Because of your work exposing Planned Parenthood we have more and more evidence to show the world PP's evil agenda. Maybe one day they will be gone. God bless you.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 12:34 PM By Mark from PA
Excuse me, Angie. I don't think statutory rape by clergy is running rampant in the Catholic Church. Some dioceses and archdioces did have problems years ago (many did not); it has been and is being addresssed. I think for the most part kids are safe now when it comes to Catholic clergy. I think there are very few pedophiles left in the Church and those that are, have been placed in protective custody for their protection and the protection of others, or defrocked.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 1:01 PM By Almond Milk
Angie your comment is surely a lie, "statutory rape by clergy, running rampant?" You are definitely a fooled soul because your post is incorrect to a point. It is not rampant! I have two sons, very young ones and someday if my Lord calls them to become priests, I would hate someone like you stereo typing them and even slandering their good call to serve God and save souls! (sold in DVD) Watch "God or the girl" by A&E, a reality tv about very good young men thinking about becoming priests, you will be amazed and would appreciate what they have to deal with their calling. Now another topic: God Bless you Lila Rose! Lila Rose you are a good role model to our youth, I am going to share your blessings with my daughter. I am grateful for your conviction to expose planned parenthood.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 1:04 PM By Central Valley
How many California Bishops would dare to mention this womans name at their Masses next week end? I bet not many. This woman is an example of the Church militant at work instead of the Chuch limpwristed as the California Bishops desire.
I wonder if Bishop John Steinbock of Fresno would have this women interviewd on the diocese television station?
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 7:59 PM By Doreen Baxter
I wish Lila Rose were around back in the 70's when I had an abortion! Boy oh boy, I never would have done it had she been there for me. Planned Parenthood is an evil Organization, and their goal is to reduce the population on planet earth. Let's expose them BIG TIME.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 9:11 PM By Jim D.
May God bless Lila Rose, another of God's little flowers.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 9:27 PM By Victoria G.
Me too Doreen. I've certainly never had an abortion; but my younger sister had several back in the hippie days. Who knows how many lovely nieces and nephews were lost to me?
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 9:54 PM By Dr. Bob
It is such a joy to see a young woman from of all places, UCLA, be so courageous in her advocacy for the defenseless.
What is most disappointing, however, is that students from the so-called "Catholic Women's College" in Los Angeles, just across town from where Ms. Rose attends classes (Mount St. Mary's), do not have the same zeal for the unborn as she does. Could it be because that Mount St. Mary's is too beholden to the Sanchez sisters, Loretta and Linda, who, with their "pro-abortion" positions, were commencement speakers at the 2002 Mount St. Mary's commencement? Or is it because the founders, the Sisters of St. Joseph in California, are too busy to minister to the students of the school that was founded by that order? After all, with the appointment of Dr. Doud, a former Sister of Charity, as its first non-religious president, it seems the Congregation of St. Joseph has abandoned that institution to the "liberation theologians."
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 10:15 PM By Maria C
Central Valley even if some Bishops don't mention her name during mass, the faithful can add her and keep praying for her. We also need to pray for more wonderful courageous souls like Lila to help keep fighting the good fight. That includes you, others and I. : )
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 11:12 PM By Pax Christi
I'm not surprised that Lila Rose would get such an award. She is a tremendous beacon for the pro-life movement. I was really inspired by her speech at the Values Voter Summit some months back. You can see it for yourself on You Tube by using these keywords: Lila Rose Values Voter Summit. Her speech is broken into four parts.
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Posted Monday, December 08, 2008 11:24 PM By JLS
I attended UCLA 30 years ago, and experienced the grace of God, in that sometimes in the most implacable of situations, the most unwary of moments, God sends someone out of the blue, perhaps someone who does not even have any idea why they are inspired to range a bit from their path and minister hidden words of the Holy Spirit ... at UCLA of all places. If someone is seeking God, God will spare no wonders to open the doors to such a soul. UCLA is a powerful pagan community, but nothing is more powerful than God, and UCLA's heathenness can be regulated in the blink of an eye were God so inclined to do so. Faith always is multiplied, and we see witness of it in this wonderful young woman bearing the grace of God in confounding the wicked.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:28 AM By Sue
According to the article, she "posed". How is that different from lying? If one day she tells people she's 15 and pregnant by a 23 year old, and another day she tells people she's 13 and pregnant by a 31 year old, how is that not lying? If it's lying, is it somehow justified because she's a reporter getting a story? Maybe some of you who've commended her behavior can share your thoughts on this. The Church teaches, "A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving... Lying is the most direct offense against the truth... By its very nature, lying is to be condemned... A good intention (for example, that of helping one's neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means."
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:48 PM By Mark from PA
Perhaps Lila Rose could meet the Sanchez sisters. It would be good if she could convert them. I wonder what the Sanchez sisters think of Planned Parenthood trying to protect rapists and sexual predators.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:25 PM By JLS
Sue, posing is not lying. It is posing.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:27 PM By JLS
Sue, the Commandment does not say, "Thou shalt not lie"; rather it says, "Thou shalt no bear false witness against thy neighbor". There is a difference. More: Jesus speaks often in parables ... perhaps Lila Rose was speaking in parables.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:48 PM By Eileen
Mark from PA, Why are you bringing up the Sanchez sisters? They voted for Obama just like you! If you were to meet Lila Rose in front of Planned Parenthood and you told her that you also voted for Obama, she would probably think you were one of the employees coming in to work at Planned Parenthood. Mark, please stop the mixed messages. You should not have voted for Obama and the Fifth Commandment of Almighty God outweighs any lame or misguided advice you received. Didn't you say that you also teach religion class Mark? Does your class learn about the Ten Commandments? Did you accidentally erase #5 off of the blackboard?
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:00 PM By Alice T
"Posing" is a word that can mean "representing oneself falsely", i.e. lying. Lying is wrong whether it's about yourself, anyone or anything, and "is to be condemned." The Catechism says: "The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others." If Lila Rose misrepresented the truth about her age and her pregnancy in her meeting with someone else, that is misrepresentating the truth in her relation with others. Lila Rose told the people "I'm 13". Was that the truth? On O'Reilly's show, he asked her if she was really that age and she said no.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:20 PM By Deacon Pat Kearns
The evil of Planned Parenthood has always been present but it will be exposed further as the months progress. It is time to stand for our values AND THE TRUTH OF OUR FAITH. Do not coward to the loud voice of evil........ We need to be the relentless voice of TRUTH.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 9:52 PM By JLS
Alice T, Lila Rose did not misrepresent the truth. You are confusing truth with fact. What does the CCC say about misrepresenting facts? Moreover, Lila Rose truthfully represented the Truth, Jesus Christ. You pro-abortion people do not know what truth is. You will find it in Lila Rose, an excellent role model for the Truth. Recall Jesus in his encounters with faithless temple rulers, how often they pegged Him wrong ... They looked right square in the eyes of Truth but mistook Him for a lie. That is what the Planned Parenthood demoniacs do, they look in the face of Truth and see a lie: Why? Because their souls are darkened and hardened with sin. No matter what Lila Rose might say to them, they would not perceive the truth ... they have all but fallen into the eternal trap of the unforgiveable sin. Lila Rose brings a light to them so that they may see. Believe that you too may see.
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Posted Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:19 PM By CHAR
IN THE MID 80'S MY BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER WAS AFRAID TO TELL ME SHE WAS PG SO HER TWO FRIENDS TOOK HER WITH MY CREDIT CARD WHICH SHE USED WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE FOR THE ABORTION-I WAS CRUSHED WHEN THE BILL CAME AND SO I CALLED PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND ASKED WHY THEY DIDN'T CALL ME TO SEE IF IT WAS OK FOR HER TO HAVE MY CARD-THEY SAID IT WAS A COMMUNICATION PROBLEM BETWEEN MY DAUGHTER AND I.IT NEVER GOES AWAY FROM HER WHAT SHE DID AND IF THEY WOULD HAVE CALLED ME IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED...
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Posted Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:37 AM By Maria C
Everyone here who keeps on knocking down this girl for posing as a younger girl, would you please stop. There is nothing wrong with trying to avenge the poor innocent babies that are being destroyed daily in the name of choice. These little defenseless unborn children are terribly punished simply because they came to be. Who will be their voice. Lets keep our focus on that, lets truly help expose what evil truly is. It is an honorable thing this young lady is doing. God bless her.
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Posted Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:59 PM By John
Maria, there is always something wrong with lying, no matter how noble the cause. Lying is intrinsically disordered. Circumstances and motives can only lessen its gravity.
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Posted Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:06 PM By JLS
Planned Parenthood and its supporters are enmeshed in the most horrendous sins there are. So, there is no way to bear false witness against them.
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Posted Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:11 PM By Mark from PA
My but you are in a nasty mood today, Eileen. I criticize Planned Parenthood and you have to stand back and throw stones at me. I know that you detest Obama but a little Christian charity would be nice.
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Posted Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:59 PM By Litigatum Ex
If Lila Rose were but an actor on a stage where the audience knew or should have reasonably known it was but a performance, then Lila Rose may pose however. Otherwise, the Church teaches, “A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving .” Moral truth exists whenever the speaker expresses what is in her mind even if de facto she be mistaken, PROVIDED ONLY THAT SHE SAYS WHAT SHE THINKS TO BE TRUE. Doesn’t matter whether it’s facts, opinions or potatoes. A lie is the outward expression of a thought which is intentionally diverse from the thing as conceived by the speaker. As such, if Lila Rose did not think it true that she’s 15 but she intentionally said she’s 15 anyway, then that was a lie.
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Posted Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:23 PM By Mark from PA
Eileen, I never met the Sanchez sisters so actually I don't know who they voted for. I have just seen them mentioned on this site. "She (Lila Rose) would probably think you were one of the employees coming in to work at Planned Parenthood." I have told you that I am pro-life and do not support Planned Parenthood. Save your venom for someone else.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:36 AM By JLS
PA, Christian charity is trying to wake you up, disturb you from your spiritual somnambulance ... you should thank Eileen and give her a hearty response, instead of some meanspirited tripe.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:42 AM By JLS
Alice T, you still show your confusion over the difference between the meanings of "truth" and "fact". One's age is a fact, but not the truth. Jesus is the truth. He is also a fact, but more than a fact. It is a fact that the sun and the moon exist, but not the truth. The truth is that these shall pass away. Lila Rose's age will pass away, as will yours; however, the truth is that your souls will not. When you read rules in a book, you need to understand the meanings of the words so as to come up with a correct interpretation. Whatever Lila Rose says to Planned Parenthood is the light of God to them ... why? Because they live in complete darkness, and Lila does the work of God, making her part of the Light that shines in the darkness. If you study Jesus' conversations with the unfaithful, you may come to see.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:46 AM By JLS
Litigatum Ex, Lila Rose was and is not deceiving Planned Parenthood. It is the other way around: Planned Parenthood is the deceiver. There is no sin in the work of Lila Rose, but there is in those enemies of life and virtue. Lila Rose obviously does not fit your absurd categorization of a caricature, but is a real person doing the work of God. She does not fit into your mental corral of playtoys, but is in fact acting in union with Jesus Christ Who charges His faithful to make disciples of the nations. In this divine mission your would sit and do nothing ... wicked servant deserving of punishment. You refuse even to cheer someone who responds to the call of Christ. How can you look at yourself in the mirror each morning?
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:59 AM By Maria C
John tell me then what you think about undercover police work? I remember back in hight school, there was a "nark", an undercover police pretending to being a teenager. He was there to catch drug dealers and kids who bring in guns and drugs to school. I was sooo happy to find out that they had someone there undercover catching the troublemakers. Now imagine what the babies are thinking of Lila Rose. I may understand your point to a point but what Lila is doing in honor of these babies, is noble. Sometimes we must use our logic. What do you think Planned Parenthood does to cover up all their evils. They lie, their lie is not a noble one, it kills babies and destroy's children, Lila does not hurt anyone, her undercover work does not hurt anyone, what it does it exposes the evil in what Planned Parenthood is. Most people are in denail when it comes to Planned Parenthood. The way I look at it, if someone has nothing to hide, then bring in all the undercover people, because if we are doing good, then we will get caught doing good. Sometimes you have to outsmart what is evil in order to catch them in the act because anyone hurting children, whether they be unborn or alive, then we need to protect these little ones. Those who are in denial and still choose to protect Planned Parenthood, leaves me to wonder what is their true intentions because no one seems to care for the unborn.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:11 AM By Mark from PA
JLS, I don't see vicious bullying as Christian charity. I don't thank people for spitting on me. Sorry. I said that I was against Planned Parenthood and supported what Lila Rose was doing but some here can't see beyond their hatred.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:58 PM By Patrick
May God bless Lila Rose and keep her safe. Planned Parenthood and other abortionists have been killing so long in their business, why should they stop at killing innocent babies, and just step out-of-bounds one time and equally kill Lila? Human life is not sacred and means nothing to Planned Parenthood, theirs is only a blood-for-money business. God will give them their just reward. Catholic's with media ownership and connections need to get Lila's investigative findings out and published to stop the continueing slaughter of our children world-wide. Watch to see if Obama issues an executive order to lift the ban on US federally funded abortions overseas! Pray for God to protect Lila and others like her! Pray your Rosaries, they are more powerful than all the houses of death and their political backers like Obama, O'Biden, O'Kennedy, O'Pelosi, O'Boxer, O' Reed, O'Shumer, and O'Durben to name just a few.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:59 PM By Patrick
May God bless Lila Rose and keep her safe. Planned Parenthood and other abortionists have been killing so long in their business, why should they stop at killing innocent babies, and just step out-of-bounds one time and equally kill Lila? Human life is not sacred and means nothing to Planned Parenthood, theirs is only a blood-for-money business. God will give them their just reward. Catholic's with media ownership and connections need to get Lila's investigative findings out and published to stop the continueing slaughter of our children world-wide. Watch to see if Obama issues an executive order to lift the ban on US federally funded abortions overseas! Pray for God to protect Lila and others like her! Pray your Rosaries, they are more powerful than all the houses of death and their political backers like Obama, O'Biden, O'Kennedy, O'Pelosi, O'Boxer, O' Reed, O'Shumer, and O'Durben to name just a few.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:35 PM By Litigatum Ex
JLS, to be brief, lying is speech against the mind. If one's mind believes something but one's speech intentionally says something against that, then that is a lie. For example, it doesn't matter that the Jews hiding in the attic is a temporary thing. If a woman believes the Jews are hiding in her attic and she speaks against her belief, that is a lie. Even if the Jews really aren't in her attic but out having a picnic at the lake, if the woman believes the Jews are hiding in the attic and she speaks against her belief and actually tells the Nazis where they are, saying "The Jews are out having a picnic at the lake," that is a lie as she believes the Jews to be in her attic. She might instead say, "They are not here" and if by "here" she didn't mean wherever she believed them to be, then it would not be a lie. The same applies with respect to her age or any fact or opinion or anything else. You say it's "not the truth" that the sun and moon exist, but then what sun and moon are you talking about when you say they don't exist? You say they will pass away, but how can they pass away if they don't exist? Even if they're but ideas or false beliefs in your mind, they have that existence. The same with Lila Rose's age. Her age can change over time and pass away or maybe even be found that she never had an age, but it would be a lie if she believes she's 20 years old and she intentionally speaks against her belief. Also, wanting to expose the lies of an organization may well be admirable (who knows her motives? I assume she had good ones), but it's wrong to lie as part of the scheme to accomplish that goal. The end does not justify the means. Finally, you say I "would sit and do nothing," but according to you, it's "not the truth" that the sun and the moon and Planned Parenthood exist. So why should I care about a Planned Parenthood that doesn't truly exist? If you've got problems in your imagination, you go deal with them.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:57 PM By More Corruption
Billionaire investor George Soros is bankrolling liberal Catholic groups that support abortion.
An investigation by the New York-based Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights finds that George Soros' Open Society Institute gave Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good $50,000 in 2005 and $100,000 in 2006. Catholic League president Bill Donohue suspects that Soros may also be funding the group Catholics United, an organization with which Catholics in Alliance has a formal relationship. Donahue contends both groups are "in the pocket of the Democratic Party" and are trying to sell Catholics the notion that they can be opponents of abortion and not seek to overturn Roe v. Wade if they support minimum wage and more welfare benefits.
"George Soros, who's basically an anti-American, far left-wing, pro-abortion, anti-Semite, anti-Catholic, is funding the Catholic left. Now, if the Catholic League were getting money from an anti-American, far right-wing, pro-abortion, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic source, we'd be out of business in a New York minute," Donahue says. "By the way, George Soros lavishly funds Catholics for Choice, previously called Catholics for a Free Choice."
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:11 PM By Mark from PA
JLS, why should I thank someone for bullying me? I don't consider being spit at a hearty response. Some people here should be better at disguising their hatred.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:52 PM By John
Maria C, "undercover" in its basic form means not telling you he's a police officer. Not telling you something that you don't have a right to know is not the same as telling you a lie. If a "narc" attends classes with students, he may even legitimately claim to be a student, as after all, everyone is a "student" in some capacity (he's a "student" of crime study). If you infer things from his presence that he doesn't intentionally tell you, that also isn't a lie. But if he were to intentionally tell you something like "I'm 15 years old," which he himself doesn't believe, then it can be lying. A police officer lying in his job is no more justified than a police officer having sex with women in order to arrest some prostitutes. The Catechism says, "A good intention (for example, that of helping one's neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means."
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:14 PM By Dr. Bob
Please correct me if I am inaccurate on this observation; however, I saw no mention in tha Los Angeles Archdiocese publication, "The Tidings" of the "Life Prize" awarded to Ms. Rose.
Since she is a resident of the Los Angeles Archdiocese who attends a non-Catholic institution, I would think that there would be some mention of her in the official publication of the L.A. Archdiocese.
If it was reported, please post a reply, with the particular issue in which the story was published.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 7:52 PM By JLS
PA, what do you mean that you're being spit at?
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:08 PM By JLS
John, Lila Rose did nothing that damaged the souls of the people whom she told an incorrect age to. The souls of those people were already in deep peril. Not only has she not harmed anyone, her intent has been to help others by bringing the light of truth into the darkness of abortion. This she has gloriously achieved. Who knows but even one or more abortion worker will respond and repent.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:11 PM By JLS
John, Lila Rose did nothing that damaged the souls of the people whom she told an incorrect age to. The souls of those people were already in deep peril. Not only has she not harmed anyone, her intent has been to help others by bringing the light of truth into the darkness of abortion. This she has gloriously achieved. Who knows but even one or more abortion worker will respond and repent.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:12 PM By JLS
Ligatum, you are going overboard on lying. You will not succeed in trashing Lila Rose, because God is with her.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:22 PM By JLS
Ligatum, Planned Parenthood exists in fact, a temporal situation. If you do not have the wherewithal to understand the difference between truth and fact, the problem is not in my mind but in your lack of a mind. O, but I wax uncharitable. The real problem is faith, Ligature, faith. You are quibbling over a mole hill. Let's see if you can get this: Sin is a fact, not the truth. Truth is neither sin nor fact: Truth created fact. Fact like time is a creation, a creature. Lila Rose acted in Truth, Who has power and authority over creation, including time and fact. You would actually be hard pressed to prove that Lila was not 13 at the moment she told Planned Parenthood that she was. This is hardly rocket science, Ligatum. You likely believe that 2 + 2 = 4 is true. But it's a theory, not even a fact. Get your facts straight, Ligature. Truth is more than you or I can handle, but we can be a part of it. This takes faith. Lila Rose not only displays heroic faith, hope and charity, but especially charity at the sacrificial level. Don't you comprehend that abortion is a spritiual war? You focus on extremely limited temporal matters ... get faith, believe, trust God. Pray the Rosary.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:50 PM By Litigatum Ex
JLS, I've never said she or anyone lied or did anything wrong. How would I know what she did, what she believed or what her motives were? From reading a CCD article? Ridiculous. If Lila Rose (or you or anyone) lied, the gravity of the lie would be measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, her intentions, and the harm suffered by its victims. But as the Catechism teaches, "A good intention (for example, that of helping one's neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means."
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:51 PM By Mark from PA
JLS - it was an expression that means that I was being insulted (by being told that one would think I was a Planned Parenthood employee). I do not support Planned Parenthood. I agree with your comment from 8:11 PM.
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Posted Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:58 PM By Eileen
JLS, Symptoms and Diagnosis:..As far as I can tell, it looks like this is a definite case of Litigatum Ex wanting to place a left handed ligature on Lila's laudatory legacy of liberating little lives. Cure..Simple Gratitude. Since Lila is directly combating the father of all lies, I am grateful that she has the wisdom to be "Clever as a serpent, harmless as a dove."
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 7:47 AM By Maria C
John I disagree with your logic and interpretation. Thanks for sharing though. : ) I appreciate open dialogue. John just one more thing, if someone came rushing through your door and asked you where is so and so, they had a gun and they had intentions of harming your friend. Would you go ahead and tell them the truth as to where they are at so that person with criminal intent could find your friend. I was always told that we need to protect our friend or family from harm and say we don't know where they are. In your logic you probably would have had given the criminal all the info so you could avoid lying.
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 3:34 PM By John
Maria C, no, the Church teaches that "the right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional." That means if a gunman came looking to murder my wife, and he asks, "Where is she?" then I don't have to reveal the truth to him, but that's not permission to lie. For example, if I believe my wife is home right now, I would not say, "She's not home right now." Of course, out of love for my wife, I also wouldn't tell him that she's hiding in the closet. But I might say, "She left to visit her mother in Santa Rosa," if indeed she had left (sometime in the past) to visit her mother in Santa Rosa, as that would be a true statement. I don't have to also tell him that she returned home three weeks ago and is now hiding in the closet. In that sense, perhaps Lila Rose could have said, "I had my 15th birthday in March," if indeed her 15th birthday was in March, and assuming there was no duty to tell them which year (e.g. 2003 or whatever year her 15th birthday was).
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 4:36 PM By JLS
Litigatum Ex, for Lila Rose to tell them that she was 13 years old can also be construed as the initiation of a formal argument, to which the Planned Parenthood people with their seared consciences failed to grasp. And failing to understand, they then lied to themselves as to her motives and presumed exactly what they have been conditioned to presume, which is that they are not evil and could then proceed with their immoral and illegal actions. The operating principle here is that the devil has a darkened mentality and his slaves also ... they really cannot see the truth. Recall that Satan was not sure how to identify Christ. Ever ask yourself why?
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 4:39 PM By JLS
Maria C, I must have mistated my post. No I would prefer in the situation you put forth to take the gun and shoot the perpetrator first and then lie to him, on the perennial basis of "Dead men tell no tales".
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 4:41 PM By JLS
PA, I think it is a profound depth of spirituality that brings a soul to comprehend the evil of abortion and to defend life in the womb. I wonder if you are misplacing the source of persecution you get from your prolife stance.
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 6:47 PM By Litigatum Ex
JLS, your theory is that if someone is deceived, it's their fault, because they have a seared conscience. But it's not a matter of conscience to know that someone who says she's 13 and pregnant is actually faking it. As to Jesus, if people didn't recognize Jesus, was it because Jesus was telling them things that weren't true? In which Bible passage does Jesus tell people he's been fornicating?
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 8:39 PM By JLS
Maria C, I mistook your post address ... not enough coffee this morning, I guess.
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Posted Friday, December 12, 2008 8:46 PM By JLS
John, the Church teaches the Just War Theory. This means that it is not only permissible to fight to the death but it is obligatory to protect one's family. I learned how to fight from a young age. Ultra sound reveals that twins fight one another in the womb. When fighting one is obligated to win. What is the difference in the scenario you described and faking out one's combat opponent? Do you believe it is a sin to deceive one's opponent? If so, you are not quoting Catholic Doctrine including Holy Scripture.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:47 AM By JLS
Not only ... , but Lila Rose has the God given right to hide her identity when she deems it beneficial to God's work, which she is doing. Scripture is full of holy hidden identities. One I like best is in the Book of the Apocalypse where we are informed that each faithful follower of Jesus Christ has a secret name known only to God, and that we will eventually learn our names. So, any temporal identification of a faithful follower of Jesus is not really true anyway, but merely factual and will not last forever unless it is an act or attitude of charity. It is this charity that will be with Lila Rose forever, not her "cover" or alias, or persona or the insults against both her and God which have been hurled at her.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:49 AM By Maria C
Thank you JLS your lost two posts helped my case. Some people here must not have anything better to do than to knock down the good work that Lila Rose is doing. I really believe it is the devil trying to stop the faithful from doing good and protecting the unborn. Even after praying about it, John's interpretation does not make sense. Thanks JLS... I need more coffee too. : ) Mocha sounds good right about now. Have a great weekend my friend.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:07 AM By Wesley
At times, it may be appropriate for a person to not reveal her identity. But a person never has the right to lie about her identity or lie in claiming she's been fornicating. Lying is always wrong because it is intrinsically disordered. Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. By its very nature, lying is to be condemned. And for those people who may be confused about the difference between deception and lying or how Just War Theory plays into all this, listen up: Lying is telling a falsehood with intention to deceive. In other words, if the listener doesn't have a right to the truth, then it it is permissible to either be silent or to say something that is true but ambiguous with the expectation that the listener will deceive himself. Just War Theory allows for deception in that way. But it is always wrong to tell a falsehood with the intent to deceive, for that is lying and it is always wrong and is to be condemned.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:06 PM By Marjorie
JLS, you might also want to check the criteria required for Just War Theory. For example, it requires that "all other means of putting an end to the damage inflicted by the aggressor must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective." But it has not been shown that it's "impractical" for society to find real 15 year olds who really are pregnant and have them go to the clinics to inquire rather than have someone lie. Plus, sending real 15 year olds can be more effective than sending liars because authorities are hesitant to attempt to prosecute a case based on lies. So I think it's seriously questionable to claim that the criteria for Just War Theory have been met. Just some thoughts. Take care.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:36 PM By John
JLS, a situation often mentioned in modern times as illustration is the case of Nazis who ask a homeowner whether any Jews are hiding in his home. In such a dilemma, when silence, distraction, force, or some other means would not suffice to rebuff the enemy, one can give an answer, as Benedict Ashley, O.P. says, “that is not contrary to what one knows, but which at the same time does not reveal what one knows because it is ambiguous and might mean several things. Such an ambiguous reply leaves the wrongful questioner uncertain about what is meant and liable to self-deception by jumping to unwarranted conclusions.” (Living the Truth in Love, p. 411) A person is not permitted to lie, but she can be silent or ambiguous when dealing with someone who does not have the right to the communication of the truth.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:41 PM By Almond Milk
Marjorie there aren't many pregnant 15 years old's who have the strong conviction to catch planned parenthood in their evil ways and go undercover. They are busy with other teenage issues that are affecting them. That sounds like a good idea though, perhaps you can pursue it since you feel you could do a better job than what you call lying. But you will always find someone out there who will criticize your idea because they will say, that teenage is lying because she did not have the intention to actually have an abortion but went to see what planned parenthood does with these situation especially if they lie that they got impregnated by an adult male. It is hard to find those teens who are willing to do that. (or find parents who will allow them to do that type of undercover story). People lets use logic here, we need to save babies! We are talking about lives here! Praise God for Lila Rose!
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:50 PM By JLS
Marjorie, while you're awaiting the Second Coming of Christ, babies are being aborted. Go ahead and do nothing and say nothing ... but recall the parable of the wicked servant who buried his talent for fear of losing it.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:34 PM By JLS
I'm astonished to find so many posts that reveal an utter absense of spiritual awareness as on this topic. Don't these people understand or at least see that abortion is the greatest spiritual challenge of the Church in our age? And they talk as though there is no spritual domain, that if you can't see it then it does not exist. Haven't these people ever read or considered the Saints or even Scripture? How uninformed can someone be??? I just layed out several situations that showed that there is no proof that Lila Rose lied, that are not only possible but have historical precedents among saints ... why are saints sainted? One of the reasons is the mysterious array of spiritual intervention. Do these naysayers ever consider what the standard Catholic prayers say? "Thy kingdom come", for example. What in the world do these people imagine this to mean, if anything? Do they ever even ponder such basic Christian stuff? Their posts suggest that they've never realized that God exists apart from what they can see and touch. These are not Doubting Thomases, but more like "not a clue" types. I thought I came from a materialistic culture, but these posters evidence no idea at all of anything beyond the spiritual world. Oh wait ... they're deists, who believe that God set it all up and then took His leave. Now I get it. We are being inundated now, not by homosexuals, not by abortion fanatics, but by Deists. Looks like the former have kicked it up to their leaders.
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:47 PM By JLS
Now, John, I'll say it very plainly. God is known to intervene. Why are you trying to ride a camel through the eye of a needle? Makes no sense. First rule of scientific observation is, if you see it, then it exists; if an experiment turns out a particular way, then that is the way it can happen. Step two is not to deny it or keep doing the same thing expecting different results, but to accept reality, and then try to find out why. I'm perfectly happy with Lisa Rose if she lied to the devil's deceivers since she brought light into the darkness; but, if you cannot deal with lying, then try some other explanations. I've posted two or three of them, all feasible, but not to hardened materialists or Deists. There is no Commandment forbidding lying. Why? Why does the Commandment couch it in terms of bearing false witness against one's neighbor? Was Lisa Rose bearing false witness against her neighbor? No way. Did she tell them something that they thought was true? What morally blind people! Those people are enemies of God ... have you ever been in a fight? Do you do what your opponent wishes of you? Or do you do what is necessary to win? Lisa is trying to win life for unborn babies ... so what is the problem if she lied? But you cannot prove that she did lie. Padre Pio had the supernatural gift of bilocation. God can do amazing things in times of necessity. Maybe Lisa was in fact 13 for a moment and for only a moment when she said she was. How do you know? Understand that we are in a violent war for souls ... are you going to measure something like that against countless babies being slaughtered? Think about the other possibilities I've posted. Lisa is doing God's work ... so why are you interferring?
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:58 PM By JLS
The more I think about it, the more I begin to see the damage that materialism has wrought on the Church. There is life beyond time and space ... materialists need to keep this in mind when wondering about things of the spirit, which is what abortion is about. Materialists need to read the Apocalypse and stop pretending that it has no meaning or that it all happened in the past. Of course it all happened in the past but it is still happening and will continue to happen. Why do we pray to the saints and angels? Because they exist beyond time and space, and thus they can intervene at any time or any place without even an interval. God, however, is not going to set up his faithful in such a way as to make a show out of His interventions, so you'd be wasting your time waiting for the next one. You just have to get your self confessed up and stop blinding yourselves so that when the next one happens, you will at least have some glimmer of what is going on. Marjorie, you need to actually do something instead of looking reasons not to. Theology is not about justifying one's inaction, but is meant to aid one in uniting with God and neighbor. Lisa Rose engaged the enemy which is a far step beyond loving her neighbor; what have you done?
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:08 PM By Litigatum Ex
Just War theory was supported by St. Augustine and St. Thomas, two men who strictly held that lying was never justified. St. Augustine held that the naked truth must be told whatever the consequences may be. He directs that in difficult cases silence should be observed if possible. If silence would be equivalent to giving a sick man unwelcome news that would kill him, it is better, he says, that the body of the sick man should perish rather than the soul of the liar. In addition, he said if a man is hid in your house, and his life is sought by murderers, and they come and ask you whether he is in the house, you may say that you know where he is, but will not tell: you may not deny that he is there. Augustine’s strict viewpoint was endorsed by Thomas Aquinas, stating in Summa Theologica: "Therefore it is not lawful to tell a lie in order to deliver another from any danger whatever. Nevertheless it is lawful to hide the truth prudently, by keeping it back, as Augustine says" (II:110:3).
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:16 PM By Litigatum Ex
On the subject of ambushes, Thomas Aquinas said: “Provided the war be just, it is no concern of justice whether it be carried on openly or by ambushes." However, he specifically excludes telling a falsehood: "The object of laying ambushes is in order to deceive the enemy. Now a man may be deceived by another's word or deed in two ways. FIRST, THROUGH BEING TOLD SOMETHING FALSE or through the breaking of a promise, and THIS IS ALWAYS UNLAWFUL. NO ONE OUGHT TO DECEIVE THE ENEMY IN THIS WAY, for there are certain ‘rights of war and covenants, which ought to be observed even among enemies,’ as Ambrose states (De Officiis i). SECONDLY, a man may be deceived by what we say or do, because we do not declare our purpose or meaning to him. Now we are not always bound to do this, since even in the Sacred Doctrine many things have to be concealed, especially from unbelievers, lest they deride it, according to Mt. 7:6: ‘Give not that which is holy, to dogs.’ Wherefore much more ought the plan of campaign to be hidden from the enemy. For this reason among other things that a soldier has to learn is the art of concealing his purpose lest it come to the enemy's knowledge, as stated in the Book on Strategy [*Stratagematum i, 1] by Frontinus. Such like concealment is what is meant by an ambush which may be lawfully employed in a just war.”
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:45 PM By Litigatum Ex
There was a lesser school of thought in the history of the Church which had deemed that a lie was to speak or act against the truth in order to lead into error “someone who has a right to know the truth.” Under that school of thought, it would not be a lie to tell a falsehood to someone who did not have a right to know the truth. However, many Catholic scholars appealed to Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) pleading that the Church’s teaching not align itself with that school of thought, and indeed, those requests by Catholic scholars were honored in today’s Catechism. The “right to know the truth” is no longer part of the Catechism’s definition of a lie. Instead, it is separately stated that everyone does not have an unconditional right to the communication of the truth, in line with Aquinas and Augustine view of lying as never justified. Instead, as Aquinas had stated: “it is lawful to hide the truth prudently, by keeping it back, as Augustine says.”
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Posted Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:41 PM By JLS
If Lila Rose said to the devil worshipers, "I am thirteen", then it is also possible that what she meant by "am" is not what is commonly taken for its meaning. The word "am" is the same as "to exist", "to be". In Lila Rose's empathy, which may be significantly greater than most others', and even amplified by God's power and authority, she might well have spoken truthfully and factually. Who, exactly, is Lila Rose? After all, God is all things to all men: Therefore, Lila, being in union with God, and perhaps being in a very comprehensive union with God, may be more than meets the eye. She might in fact be speaking for some thirteen year old girl, not only speaking for her, but empathetically "being" that thirteen year old. Jesus called the devil "the father of liars"; I simply do not see Lila Rose as having anything to do with the devil. I believe she has been mistaken by appearances. Jesus on the Cross has a terrible appearance which no artist has ever depicted fully. By it one without faith would presume Him to be a terrible man ... but we know better through faith. One cannot reduce a person to a few words, such as "I am thirteen". Justice and truth demand that we gain a full understanding of the "I" of Lila Rose, and also of the "am" of Lila Rose. When Jesus told the world "I am", the Jewish leaders took it as a confession that he had blasphemed. But always remember that some people are united very closely with God and therefore share in the "I am". God lives in many people ... If a reader does not see what I am talking about, then too bad. If a reader has no interest in the union between God and man, well that's the way it goes. But if otherwise, then there are countless resources available for exploring the "already and not yet" of God's Kingdom, the chief of which is prayer.
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Posted Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:10 PM By Sylvia
What a scheme. You lie to Planned Parenthood in the hope of catching them telling you to lie. Someone deserves a prize for that one.
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Posted Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:58 PM By JLS
Litigatum Ex, you would be an easy victim in a fight. The Just War Theory exists to encourage us to win for Christ. If you don't fight to win, then you do not believe that your cause is God's. If that is so, then you need to inform your conscience according to the will of God, and then go fight the good fight.
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Posted Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:11 PM By Maria C
JLS your posts have such backbone and hold many truths that they brought tears to my eyes. Thanks my brother in Christ, for speaking truth while no one else does, they just babble over things that make no sense, they don't move mountains, they don't see it because perhaps love has not moved them just yet.
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Posted Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:18 PM By Almond Milk
JLS you just about summed it up! Great posts here! I agree with you on materialism affecting this society so much that they lack sensitivity to sin. Not only materialism but they also make themselves their own god. Selfishness has swept this country and it is deep, sure we still see good charitable people but most of the time people give in hopes to receive. What good is it to say we are pro-life, yet knock down the good efforts of others found courageous enough to make a difference for the unborn, I'll tell you something sometimes people's own sin's may cause them to be that petty because jealousy or envy can take control of their reasoning because deep down their spirit wishes they can be that courageous.
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Posted Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:58 PM By Vivianne
JLS, as "it is possible" that what Lila Rose meant by her words is not what is "commonly" understood for its meaning, "it is also possible" that what the Planned Parenthood employees mean by their words is not what is commonly understood, and likewise for everyone on this forum. And "then it is also possible" that neither Lila Rose nor Planned Parenthood nor anyone else has understood what each other was saying, and that there was no cover-up by Lila Rose or Planned Parenthood or anyone else. "Justice and truth demand that we gain a full understanding" of everything to everyone. After all, "God is all things to all men." And "then it is also possible" that Lila Rose and Planned Parenthood employees and everyone are "in union with God." Is all this possible? Jesus answered, "Everything is possible to one who has faith."
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Posted Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:40 PM By JLS
What they are doing in the face of a saintly act is trying to find the playbook. They do not realize that God is the Author of life, which is greater than a play, and is ongoing.
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Posted Monday, December 15, 2008 2:31 PM By Fulminator Ski Ven
JLS, if you have access to the book "This is the Faith" by Canon Francis Ripley you might want to check out page 99. It seems to support your view under the category of broad mental reservations. The author cites John 7:8-10. This book has both an Nihil Obstat and an Imprimatur.
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Posted Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:53 AM By Ken
Posters Litigatum Ex, Wesley and John had all previously touched on the principles of mental reservation. From Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, BROAD MENTAL RESERVATION means "Speech that limits the meaning of what is said but contains a reasonable clue to the sense intended." For sufficient reason, a broad mental reservation may be permitted. Compare with STRICT MENTAL RESERVATION, which means, "Speech that limits the meaning of what is said but gives no clue to the particular sense intended. This type of mental reservation is actually a lie and is never allowed. Thus if a person says that he or she is going to a distant city, meaning that this person is going there only in imagination, he or she is lying because no clue is given to the sense intended." Applying Fr. Hardon's definitions to the case of Lila Rose, she's 13 and fornicating "only in imagination" (i.e. make believe) or some other absurd sense and would be lying (and hence not allowed) if she gave no clue to the sense she intended when she made such claims. For it to be allowed as a broad mental reservation, a "reasonable clue" as to the sense intended would have been required. Ostensibly, as an undercover reporter, Lila Rose deliberately intended to give no clue. Last year, Catholic League president Bill Donohue offered this reminder about the principle of mental reservation, "The last time it was floated in any seriousness… was during the impeachment proceedings of President Bill Clinton in regard to his sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." To recall, according to Bill Clinton, he wasn't lying when he said to his top aides that with respect to Monica Lewinsky, "There IS nothing going on between us," because at the precise time he said that, it was true that he actually wasn't having a sexual affair with Monica. But unlike with Bill Clinton, at the precise time Lila Rose said, "I'm 13," she wasn't actually 13, nor had she been fornicating as claimed (or so we would hope).
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Posted Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:17 PM By Eileen
Dear Ken, Thank you for joining us. You sure have a similar writing style to Litigatum Ex, Synaxxarion., and Verkola. I don't even mind if you are all the same person because a truthful response will be given to all three.(or maybe more?) I thought it would be interesting if you were all of the same pot calling Lila Rose black. I apologize if I'm wrong, but the similarities, (same block printing to make certain points) (constantly quoting brilliant and holy St.Thomas Aquinas, yet silent on defending certain teachings) are quite interesting since your post is about Lila Rose fooling people with deception. I wonder if you all attended the very same school? That also might explain the similarity. Anyway, welcome aboard Ken. The more the merrier!
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Posted Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:36 PM By Almond Milk
What a sick post have I ever seen one regarding Ken's post. Come on, why babble and babble on like this. Comparing Lila Rose with Bill Clinton. Sick I tell you, this is sick! It is no wonder that we are outgunned, if we continue to reason this way, we will never stop legal abortions again, it is hopeless when we have the faithful babble on like this. In the old testament it was wrong to eat pork, sometimes I truly believe that humans create their own laws and then say it was God who made them. I understand pork was considered unclean and such under the Jewish laws. I think that even amongst the faithful, that some study a lot about the faith (which is good too, I am not trying to discourage it) but they sometimes forget a very important part to that learning, to grow more in love with Jesus, to have a personal relationship with our Lord, then that is when they will get it. We need to fall in love with our Lord. How you ask, ask Jesus to help you fall deeper in love with Him that you want nothing else but to please Him. There is never an end or a stop when it comes to growing our personal relationship with Christ, because we can never stop growing, our God is a mysterious God and because of His mercy He has revealed His truths to us, there is more to our Lord than any human can possibly ever comprehend or understand, we need to grow close to Him not just know about Him.
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Posted Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:22 PM By Mark from PA
Those were nice words in your post of 4:36, Almond Milk.
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Posted Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:26 PM By Almond Milk
Thank you Mark from PA.
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Posted Friday, December 19, 2008 5:02 PM By Maria C
Just want to encourage people to go and pray at abortion clinics. If you can't please pray for those that do and pray for the unborn. Merry Christmas
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Posted Friday, December 19, 2008 11:00 PM By Tired of heretics
Keep up the good work for the pro-life movement. Lets save more babies.
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Posted Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:26 AM By Randy Crawford
It is an established principle of law and jurisprudence that investigators can legitimately lie to suspects, if doing so will expose the guilt of the guilty. Evidence thus obtained is admissable in court and has been successfully used to obtain legitimate upheld convictions. Lila Rose's actions are entirely legal, legitimate, admissible, commendable, and a manifestation of common sense. Of course, the abortion Nazis want to cover their tracks with lies and false accusations just like the German Nazis wanted to cover theirs.
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